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> NATO has explicitly said its door is open to Ukraine Could you provide any references on this? NATO needs to agree on this unanimously, and afaik several cou

> NATO has explicitly said its door is open to Ukraine Could you provide any references on this? NATO needs to agree on this unanimously, and afaik several countries explicitly opposed this. > had been pouring money, weapons This is not true. NATO refused to even sell heavy weapons to Ukraine because afraid to anger Russia. Ukrainians built their army by recovering 50y old tanks from soviet junk yards. > Last year, they had held joint military exercises, with NATO troops temporarily stationed inside Ukraine. Could you provide reference?

tsimionescu 4y ago
> Could you provide any references on this? NATO needs to agree on this unanimously, and afaik several countries explicitly opposed this. Sure: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-idUSL0179714620080403 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-idUSL017971462008040... . > This is not true. NATO refused to even sell heavy weapons to Ukraine because afraid to anger Russia. Ukrainians built their army by recovering 50y old tanks from soviet junk yards. This is disputed. Here is for example the Ukrainian minister of defense claiming that shipments of weapons from NATO countries started in 2014: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29198497 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29198497 Here is a story about the USA supplying arms to Ukraine under Trump: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-weapons-to-ukraine-a-primer/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-we... > Last year, they had held joint military exercises, with NATO troops temporarily stationed inside Ukraine. Sure: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-holds-military-drills-with-us-forces-nato-allies-2021-09-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-h...
- riku_iki 4y ago
  > Sure: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-idUSL017971462008040 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-idUSL017971462008040... . yes, Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2008, it was rejected, and under pressure from USA they promised "maybe some time in the future", which never happened and political bs. > This is disputed. > Here is for example the Ukrainian minister of defense claiming that shipments of weapons from NATO countries started in 2014: They shipped like hundred javelins in 7 years. It is not heavy weapon you can fight Russia with. > Sure: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-h https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-h... At the end it was 300 american soldiers. https://www.army.mil/article/250444/us_nato_ukraine_enhance_interoperability_with_rapid_trident_exercise https://www.army.mil/article/250444/us_nato_ukraine_enhance_...

tsimionescu 4y ago

> Could you provide any references on this? NATO needs to agree on this unanimously, and afaik several countries explicitly opposed this. Sure: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-idUSL0179714620080403 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-idUSL017971462008040... . > This is not true. NATO refused to even sell heavy weapons to Ukraine because afraid to anger Russia. Ukrainians built their army by recovering 50y old tanks from soviet junk yards. This is disputed. Here is for example the Ukrainian minister of defense claiming that shipments of weapons from NATO countries started in 2014: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29198497 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29198497 Here is a story about the USA supplying arms to Ukraine under Trump: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-weapons-to-ukraine-a-primer/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-we... > Last year, they had held joint military exercises, with NATO troops temporarily stationed inside Ukraine. Sure: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-holds-military-drills-with-us-forces-nato-allies-2021-09-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-h...

riku_iki 4y ago
> Sure: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-idUSL017971462008040 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-idUSL017971462008040... . yes, Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2008, it was rejected, and under pressure from USA they promised "maybe some time in the future", which never happened and political bs. > This is disputed. > Here is for example the Ukrainian minister of defense claiming that shipments of weapons from NATO countries started in 2014: They shipped like hundred javelins in 7 years. It is not heavy weapon you can fight Russia with. > Sure: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-h https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-h... At the end it was 300 american soldiers. https://www.army.mil/article/250444/us_nato_ukraine_enhance_interoperability_with_rapid_trident_exercise https://www.army.mil/article/250444/us_nato_ukraine_enhance_...