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European Microsoft Azure operates as an independent German entity, or was some time ago at least.

the_duke 4y ago
As far as I know they initially essentialy leased out the technology to an independent operator, but stopped doing that quite a while ago. No hard source to point to tough.
- someweirdperson 4y ago
  Deutsche Telekom. I also remember it being stopped, but looks like it has been revived.
  - trevex 4y ago
    Could you point me to the source. I was under the impression it is dead and Deutsche Telekom now collaborates with Google Cloud on the so called Sovereign Cloud [1]. [1] https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud
    - someweirdperson 4y ago
      Deutsche Telekom [0]: "In den DE-Versionen Daten-Speicherung der Kundendaten ausschließlich in sicheren Rechenzentren in Deutschland mit der Zugangskontrolle durch den unabhängigen Datentreuhändern T-Systems" This sounds as if Microsoft would not have access to data, which is managed by T-Systems independently. But there might of course be something in the fine print. My browser is set to prefer English, cookie banners etc. are working, but the rest of the site won't switch, cannot find a button to manually switch either. [0] https://geschaeftskunden.telekom.de/digitale-loesungen/software-as-a-service/office-365-enterprise-editionen https://geschaeftskunden.telekom.de/digitale-loesungen/softw...
- hobos_delight 4y ago
  This was winding down about 12 months ago, unsure of the current status of it. It's the same model they use for operating in China. From an operational perspective this makes things very hard - as you don't actually get access to the services - you need to run an operator from the independent company through the troubleshooting / mitigation for any incident.
AdriaanvRossum 4y ago
Why don't they all do that? They have EU "businesses" for tax reasons already. So not starting it for privacy reasons (and no money reasons) as well?
- remram 4y ago
  You probably need different staff or something, pretending to be a separate EU company but blindly running all the software and scripts that the US team tells you to doesn't really achieve much.
- theplumber 4y ago
  Exactly! For tax reasons they even create dozens of complex structures...

As far as I know they initially essentialy leased out the technology to an independent operator, but stopped doing that quite a while ago. No hard source to point to tough.

someweirdperson 4y ago
Deutsche Telekom. I also remember it being stopped, but looks like it has been revived.
- trevex 4y ago
  Could you point me to the source. I was under the impression it is dead and Deutsche Telekom now collaborates with Google Cloud on the so called Sovereign Cloud [1]. [1] https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud
  - someweirdperson 4y ago
    Deutsche Telekom [0]: "In den DE-Versionen Daten-Speicherung der Kundendaten ausschließlich in sicheren Rechenzentren in Deutschland mit der Zugangskontrolle durch den unabhängigen Datentreuhändern T-Systems" This sounds as if Microsoft would not have access to data, which is managed by T-Systems independently. But there might of course be something in the fine print. My browser is set to prefer English, cookie banners etc. are working, but the rest of the site won't switch, cannot find a button to manually switch either. [0] https://geschaeftskunden.telekom.de/digitale-loesungen/software-as-a-service/office-365-enterprise-editionen https://geschaeftskunden.telekom.de/digitale-loesungen/softw...
hobos_delight 4y ago
This was winding down about 12 months ago, unsure of the current status of it. It's the same model they use for operating in China. From an operational perspective this makes things very hard - as you don't actually get access to the services - you need to run an operator from the independent company through the troubleshooting / mitigation for any incident.

AdriaanvRossum 4y ago

Why don't they all do that? They have EU "businesses" for tax reasons already. So not starting it for privacy reasons (and no money reasons) as well?

remram 4y ago
You probably need different staff or something, pretending to be a separate EU company but blindly running all the software and scripts that the US team tells you to doesn't really achieve much.
theplumber 4y ago
Exactly! For tax reasons they even create dozens of complex structures...