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Bonus - unlike Signal they don't need your phone number or DNA...

by midislack 4y ago

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warning26 4y ago
Does it have export? Signal's complete inability to any kind of history backup is a dealbreaker for me.
- midislack 4y ago
  Just because there's no "official" way to access history as a client in Signal doesn't mean the history isn't there. You'd have to ask that "Moxie Marlinspike" or whatever his name is fella.
- tcfhgj 4y ago
  Element has. The app on the other side I think it's unlikely that this chatbox has export functionality
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    With E2EE I don't think you can even implement a reliable export on the server side. It seems like Element is limited to only exporting a single room, though. You need something like https://gitlab.com/argit/matrix-recorder/ https://gitlab.com/argit/matrix-recorder/ to export all messages, it seems.
    - Pakdef 4y ago
      > With E2EE I don't think you can even implement a reliable export on the server side. Can't you use your client key(s)?
      - woojoo666 4y ago
        The client would have to fetch all your messages first. Some rooms can have thousands of messages a day, and some people are in thousands of rooms [1] (though these are core developers so they might be stress testing) [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32021303 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32021303
        Pakdef 4y ago
        but you would hopefully not export all messages every time? incremental?
        woojoo666 4y ago
        If you wanted automated exports I think an easier way would be to host your own homeserver, and create your account on that homeserver. I believe any messages in any rooms you join will be synced with your homeserver, and you can perform automated full backups (or maybe incremental backups if the database supports it?)
  - Pakdef 4y ago
    > Element has it has if the the person who you are chatting with didn't already delete their comment (unless you host your own server and modified it to keep a log of everything)
  - hda2 4y ago
    > Element has. The app on the other side Which is currently broken and has been for some time. If you export a room, images will not show in the final exported chat.

Bonus - unlike Signal they don't need your phone number or DNA...

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warning26 4y ago

Does it have export? Signal's complete inability to any kind of history backup is a dealbreaker for me.

midislack 4y ago
Just because there's no "official" way to access history as a client in Signal doesn't mean the history isn't there. You'd have to ask that "Moxie Marlinspike" or whatever his name is fella.
tcfhgj 4y ago
Element has. The app on the other side I think it's unlikely that this chatbox has export functionality
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  With E2EE I don't think you can even implement a reliable export on the server side. It seems like Element is limited to only exporting a single room, though. You need something like https://gitlab.com/argit/matrix-recorder/ https://gitlab.com/argit/matrix-recorder/ to export all messages, it seems.
  - Pakdef 4y ago
    > With E2EE I don't think you can even implement a reliable export on the server side. Can't you use your client key(s)?
    - woojoo666 4y ago
      The client would have to fetch all your messages first. Some rooms can have thousands of messages a day, and some people are in thousands of rooms [1] (though these are core developers so they might be stress testing) [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32021303 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32021303
      - Pakdef 4y ago
        but you would hopefully not export all messages every time? incremental?
        woojoo666 4y ago
        If you wanted automated exports I think an easier way would be to host your own homeserver, and create your account on that homeserver. I believe any messages in any rooms you join will be synced with your homeserver, and you can perform automated full backups (or maybe incremental backups if the database supports it?)
- Pakdef 4y ago
  > Element has it has if the the person who you are chatting with didn't already delete their comment (unless you host your own server and modified it to keep a log of everything)
- hda2 4y ago
  > Element has. The app on the other side Which is currently broken and has been for some time. If you export a room, images will not show in the final exported chat.