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The amusing thing is: Schrems2 basically established that any US based company storing EU citizen data is not allowed because US agencies have access without an
by the_duke 4y ago
The amusing thing is: Schrems2 basically established that any US based company storing EU citizen data is not allowed because US agencies have access without any due process, even if the data is stored in the EU.
It's just that the entire industry has decided to ignore the implications and go on like that ruling never happened.
Well, almost. There is a serious effort by some companies to move off of AWS/GC/Azure and various other SaaS services.
- miohtama 4y agoEuropean Microsoft Azure operates as an independent German entity, or was some time ago at least.
- the_duke 4y agoAs far as I know they initially essentialy leased out the technology to an independent operator, but stopped doing that quite a while ago. No hard source to point to tough.
- someweirdperson 4y agoDeutsche Telekom. I also remember it being stopped, but looks like it has been revived.
- trevex 4y agoCould you point me to the source. I was under the impression it is dead and Deutsche Telekom now collaborates with Google Cloud on the so called Sovereign Cloud [1]. [1] https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud
- someweirdperson 4y agoDeutsche Telekom [0]: "In den DE-Versionen Daten-Speicherung der Kundendaten ausschließlich in sicheren Rechenzentren in Deutschland mit der Zugangskontrolle durch den unabhängigen Datentreuhändern T-Systems" This sounds as if Microsoft would not have access to data, which is managed by T-Systems independently. But there might of course be something in the fine print. My browser is set to prefer English, cookie banners etc. are working, but the rest of the site won't switch, cannot find a button to manually switch either. [0] https://geschaeftskunden.telekom.de/digitale-loesungen/software-as-a-service/office-365-enterprise-editionen https://geschaeftskunden.telekom.de/digitale-loesungen/softw...
- hobos_delight 4y agoThis was winding down about 12 months ago, unsure of the current status of it. It's the same model they use for operating in China. From an operational perspective this makes things very hard - as you don't actually get access to the services - you need to run an operator from the independent company through the troubleshooting / mitigation for any incident.
- AdriaanvRossum 4y agoWhy don't they all do that? They have EU "businesses" for tax reasons already. So not starting it for privacy reasons (and no money reasons) as well?
- remram 4y agoYou probably need different staff or something, pretending to be a separate EU company but blindly running all the software and scripts that the US team tells you to doesn't really achieve much.
- theplumber 4y agoExactly! For tax reasons they even create dozens of complex structures...
- olliej 4y agoThe US gov and others are talking about banning TikTok for the exact same reason, why is EU "banning FB" any different?
- neither_color 4y agoIf not US than China(tiktok) so where is the European social media app that respects its users? I really look forward to it.
- bvoq 4y agoI thought that was the reasoning behind location locks with quite a few cloud providers, like Firebase for example.