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SUVs should be banned, or taxed the point of economic non-viability. The fact that such a deadly category of vehicle, on top of being much less energy efficient

by occz 4y ago

SUVs should be banned, or taxed the point of economic non-viability. The fact that such a deadly category of vehicle, on top of being much less energy efficient, is being allowed to take over the market, is completely inane.

tayistay 4y ago
If anyone's wondering how they're deadly, it's that pedestrians tend to fare much worse when being hit by them vs a sedan.
- WorldMaker 4y ago
  An SUV is also more deadly to every other class of driver on the road. Even sedan drivers are more likely to die in an accident involving an SUV than any other accident class. (It's a deadly brinksmanship. The safest people in an SUV wreck are the generally ones in the SUV and everyone else is at a disadvantage.) But even that's not entirely true that people inside the SUV are safe because you can also look up the history of "rollover deaths". In an accident an SUV is a big immovable object, right until it isn't anymore and then it's a very heavy thing with a weird center of gravity. If an SUV tips over somehow in a collision, or worse rolls over itself more than once, that often has spelled death for the SUV's occupants. There's been more safety measures and center of gravity balancing and rollover cages added to SUVs since the height of rollover deaths in the 1990s, but the brinksmanship of "the safest option is to be inside the SUV" moving "everyone" to SUVs for their own skin, increases the likelihood of SUV versus SUV accidents and the return of rollover death statistics.
parineum 4y ago
Think about all the things you own for which there is a more efficient or safer version.
trident5000 4y ago
Its not that insane that SUV's exist you're just extremely controlling and hyperbolic.
- widerporst 4y ago
  It absolutely is. SUVs are unnecessarily large and heavy, dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists, blocking the view for other drivers, causing more wear to the street surface and take up precious space when parking in cities. And for what? Hummers might be an exception, but most SUVs aren't even suitable for off-road use. Not that most owners even need that. So yeah, it is absolutely insane for people to drive a car that causes so much harm to other road users and society as a whole for no good reason other than "me want BIG BIG CAR" and so it should be taxed to offset these effects.
  - 0xbadcafebee 4y ago
    You could also say it's insane to allow private ownership of vehicles. If we instead invested in public transit, emissions would be lower, transportation would be ubiquitous, and fatalities would drop immensely. So we should tax all cars, not just SUVs.
  - sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
    > unnecessarily large and heavy. > for no good reason other than "me want BIG BIG CAR" How do you know what my capacity needs are? > causing more wear to the street surface Presumably, they also pay more in fuel taxes and vehicle sales tax, which is the main source of road funding? Do you suggest taxing all vehicles by weight for this purpose?
  - hotz 4y ago
    I'd also add visibility/being able to check the blind spot in them. Also, they generally drive like they're invincible. Just a pattern I've noticed, hatchback boy racer vibes. I generally ride my bike a bit faster than the traffic and I'll get passed like I'm standing still. It's not really kosher having vehicles like that and inconsiderate drivers.
  - trident5000 4y ago
    Unnecessary to your lifestyle. You probably live in a city with no family and want to dictate everyone elses life which is typical.
tasty_freeze 4y ago
Whenever I hear someone exclaim that they love their SUV/massive pickups because it feels so much safer than "small cars", I hold my tongue but I want to reply in a chirpy tone of voice: "I love standing up when I'm in a movie theater -- the view is so much better." For one, there is just the mass: yes, it makes it safer for the SUV driver, but at the expense of the smaller cars/bikes/pedestrians. But there is another factor. When I learned to drive 40 years ago, I took it for granted that most of the time I could look through the car in front of me, and often the car in front of that, to anticipate changes in traffic conditions. Now I mostly see the rear of the large vehicle in front of me and no further.
- parineum 4y ago
  > "I love standing up when I'm in a movie theater -- the view is so much better." A better analogy is sitting at a concert and complaining that the people are standing in front of you. SUVs are allowed and expected to be on the road. Standing in a movie theater is not.
  - seoaeu 4y ago
    Buying increasingly deadly vehicles to protect yourself from other drivers is antisocial behavior, even if you personally rationalize it as “allowed and expected”.

by occz 4y ago

tayistay 4y ago

If anyone's wondering how they're deadly, it's that pedestrians tend to fare much worse when being hit by them vs a sedan.

WorldMaker 4y ago
An SUV is also more deadly to every other class of driver on the road. Even sedan drivers are more likely to die in an accident involving an SUV than any other accident class. (It's a deadly brinksmanship. The safest people in an SUV wreck are the generally ones in the SUV and everyone else is at a disadvantage.) But even that's not entirely true that people inside the SUV are safe because you can also look up the history of "rollover deaths". In an accident an SUV is a big immovable object, right until it isn't anymore and then it's a very heavy thing with a weird center of gravity. If an SUV tips over somehow in a collision, or worse rolls over itself more than once, that often has spelled death for the SUV's occupants. There's been more safety measures and center of gravity balancing and rollover cages added to SUVs since the height of rollover deaths in the 1990s, but the brinksmanship of "the safest option is to be inside the SUV" moving "everyone" to SUVs for their own skin, increases the likelihood of SUV versus SUV accidents and the return of rollover death statistics.

parineum 4y ago

Think about all the things you own for which there is a more efficient or safer version.

trident5000 4y ago

Its not that insane that SUV's exist you're just extremely controlling and hyperbolic.

widerporst 4y ago
It absolutely is. SUVs are unnecessarily large and heavy, dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists, blocking the view for other drivers, causing more wear to the street surface and take up precious space when parking in cities. And for what? Hummers might be an exception, but most SUVs aren't even suitable for off-road use. Not that most owners even need that. So yeah, it is absolutely insane for people to drive a car that causes so much harm to other road users and society as a whole for no good reason other than "me want BIG BIG CAR" and so it should be taxed to offset these effects.
- 0xbadcafebee 4y ago
  You could also say it's insane to allow private ownership of vehicles. If we instead invested in public transit, emissions would be lower, transportation would be ubiquitous, and fatalities would drop immensely. So we should tax all cars, not just SUVs.
- sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
  > unnecessarily large and heavy. > for no good reason other than "me want BIG BIG CAR" How do you know what my capacity needs are? > causing more wear to the street surface Presumably, they also pay more in fuel taxes and vehicle sales tax, which is the main source of road funding? Do you suggest taxing all vehicles by weight for this purpose?
- hotz 4y ago
  I'd also add visibility/being able to check the blind spot in them. Also, they generally drive like they're invincible. Just a pattern I've noticed, hatchback boy racer vibes. I generally ride my bike a bit faster than the traffic and I'll get passed like I'm standing still. It's not really kosher having vehicles like that and inconsiderate drivers.
- trident5000 4y ago
  Unnecessary to your lifestyle. You probably live in a city with no family and want to dictate everyone elses life which is typical.

tasty_freeze 4y ago

Whenever I hear someone exclaim that they love their SUV/massive pickups because it feels so much safer than "small cars", I hold my tongue but I want to reply in a chirpy tone of voice: "I love standing up when I'm in a movie theater -- the view is so much better." For one, there is just the mass: yes, it makes it safer for the SUV driver, but at the expense of the smaller cars/bikes/pedestrians. But there is another factor. When I learned to drive 40 years ago, I took it for granted that most of the time I could look through the car in front of me, and often the car in front of that, to anticipate changes in traffic conditions. Now I mostly see the rear of the large vehicle in front of me and no further.

parineum 4y ago
> "I love standing up when I'm in a movie theater -- the view is so much better." A better analogy is sitting at a concert and complaining that the people are standing in front of you. SUVs are allowed and expected to be on the road. Standing in a movie theater is not.
- seoaeu 4y ago
  Buying increasingly deadly vehicles to protect yourself from other drivers is antisocial behavior, even if you personally rationalize it as “allowed and expected”.