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It is as gibberish as your original comment read to me. There’s this undercurrent in your arguments that Russia was always going to do this, like an inevitable
by lovich 4y ago
It is as gibberish as your original comment read to me. There’s this undercurrent in your arguments that Russia was always going to do this, like an inevitable force of nature, and Ukraine just has to/ had to get out of the way.
If you don’t hold that assumption, like myself, then your viewpoint seems absurd
- tsimionescu 4y agoRussia was never going to allow Ukraine to become a de facto or de jure NATO ally. If you don't accept this as something as close to a fact as nature as anything can be in international politics, I don't know what you would accept. So, Ukraine has a choice: seek to join NATO knowing that will eventually lead to conflict with Russia, but hoping you can beat them. Or, seek to attain a neutral status, where they can forge their own path between NATO and Russia, maybe on a model similar to Finland. The option of peacefully joining NATO simply doesn't exist. Empires will never willingly allow anything like that, if they have any semblance of power to prevent it. Note that the Baltic countries, who also share a land border with Russia, joined NATO at a time when Russia was so weak it could simply not do anything about it.
- CamperBob2 4y agoRussia was never going to allow Ukraine to become a de facto or de jure NATO ally. Who asked them?
- tsimionescu 4y ago
- lovich 4y agoAnd here’s the real kicker, the US would have been as crazy if they started acting like the Solomon Islands should have just capitulated and can’t understand why they might resist. When we dominate other peoples we at least recognize they didn’t welcome the yoke
- CamperBob2 4y ago[flagged]