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I don’t understand this logic. I don’t see how an ‘if’ Ukraine joined nato and a ‘maybe’ it might give NATO an advantage over Russia is better then war now. I

I don’t understand this logic. I don’t see how an ‘if’ Ukraine joined nato and a ‘maybe’ it might give NATO an advantage over Russia is better then war now. I don’t see how something that is a known horror for all involved, is better than something that ‘could be’ worse maybe one day. The only unknown currently is how much more horrific it will become and how long it will go for. Generations of hatred have been sown already. There was definitely ways to appease each side prior to war, eg integrating Russia’s economy and energy grid further into Europe and the west. This was a terrible failure of diplomacy that built up over decades. Now that all involved are getting more experienced at warfare it will just promote deadlier warfare, ai controlled weapons etc etc. I’m completely losing faith in humanity, it unbelievable sad what’s happening.

tsimionescu 4y ago
I wholeheartedly agree with you - the current war is the result of decades of mistrust, hostility and grandstanding, from both sides of the conflict (NATO and Russia). It is the worse of all possible outcomes, and puts us closer than ever to direct war between these two major nuclear powers. Assuming we didn't get there though, I think the only part of the calculation that you are missing is that the war is not a horror for Putin and his entourage, and neither for NATO leaders. It is a horror for the people of Ukraine, their army, and the Russian soldiers who actually have to fight it. The seeds of hatred will also prove to be a horror for the ordinary Russians who will suffer greatly in retaliation. Unfortunately, their leaders and ours will have probably been long dead after content, peaceful lives, uncaring of the harm they have caused.