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I would guess this is due to the large Somali population in Minneapolis. I don’t know how recent, but in the past there have been issues where Somalis in MN we

I would guess this is due to the large Somali population in Minneapolis. I don’t know how recent, but in the past there have been issues where Somalis in MN were discovered assisting, directly funding, attempting to join ISIS.

kube-system 4y ago
I hadn't heard of this... to save people a search: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-community-struggles-with-isis-recruiting-tactics/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-community-struggles... > A new report by Congress says more than 250 Americans have attempted to join ISIS, and one in four of them is from Minnesota
- hobo_in_library 4y ago
  That is a very strong sounding approach to deal with just 250/4 = ~63 people from one state Most of whom were probably never actually going to go through with it anyways
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Yes, ~63 people from a single terrorist group, according to a single report, back in 2015. DHS obviously has more than one job. I mean, we're also talking about a place with the 30th busiest airport on the planet, with an international border, and a large international port. Of course the federal law enforcement agency tasked with enforcing laws regarding those activities has an office there.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      I have learned to take judgments from DHS about people's intentions with great and well-deserved skepticism. It is common and normal for Muslims to join together in study groups, and we have numerous published examples of FBI coercing people to join and then try to radicalize these groups so that they can be labeled terrorists. Sometimes the FBI even supplied weapons. Most members of any of these groups have no interest in violence, but all get tarred for membership if any do. It is routine for law enforcement to lie, and to coerce people under their control to lie, to serve whatever narrative their boss somewhere up the line has constructed. It is not exceptional: they consider this their job.
worik 4y ago
Prejudice. When providing aid involving police that want to attack the very people you are providing aid to (most of whom are legal, black African with weird sounding accents, they smell funny because they eat different food from you and they speak a language you do not understand, but they are in your country legally, mostly) is evil. Racist and evil
- bequanna 4y ago
  Of course most immigrants are law-abiding and good citizens. I think most of us know that. The challenge is that this specific group in this specific location has an outsized number of people that are aiding terrorist organizations. It is pry worth trying to figure out why. But also, it would be irresponsible if our govt didn’t allocate resources to try and stop that.
  - worik 4y ago
    > The challenge is that this specific group in this specific location has an outsized number of people that are aiding terrorist organizations. Racism
    - dontcare007 4y ago
      How so?
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    > this specific group in this specific location has an outsized number of people that are aiding terrorist organizations Can you back that up with anything at all? That is a very dangerous accusation, and obviously plays to prejudice and racism regardless of intentions. It seems it should be stated very specifically and with clear evidence. Edit: Someone else posted an article. I still think that nobody should make claims like that without being specific and having evidence. 64 people do not indict an entire community. What does the OP imply about DHS, for example? > most immigrants are law-abiding and good citizens Most people are law-abiding and good citizens, but some are not. It has nothing to do with immigration status. I happen to think that all people were created equal, regardless of where they were born.
wolverine876 4y ago
If it only takes a few bad actors, everyone in the US would be condemned by guilt by association. We are responsible for our own acts, not people who look like us (imagine what that would mean for US-born people with white skin!). I think a claim against anyone and especially any group of people needs to be supported by clear evidence. It's too dangerous and easy to demonize some outsider group, and we've seen a long history of horrible outcomes for innocent people. There is much more reason to suspect problems at DHS, given the OP.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  This.
thrown321 4y ago

kube-system 4y ago

I hadn't heard of this... to save people a search: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-community-struggles-with-isis-recruiting-tactics/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-community-struggles... > A new report by Congress says more than 250 Americans have attempted to join ISIS, and one in four of them is from Minnesota

hobo_in_library 4y ago
That is a very strong sounding approach to deal with just 250/4 = ~63 people from one state Most of whom were probably never actually going to go through with it anyways
- kube-system 4y ago
  Yes, ~63 people from a single terrorist group, according to a single report, back in 2015. DHS obviously has more than one job. I mean, we're also talking about a place with the 30th busiest airport on the planet, with an international border, and a large international port. Of course the federal law enforcement agency tasked with enforcing laws regarding those activities has an office there.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    I have learned to take judgments from DHS about people's intentions with great and well-deserved skepticism. It is common and normal for Muslims to join together in study groups, and we have numerous published examples of FBI coercing people to join and then try to radicalize these groups so that they can be labeled terrorists. Sometimes the FBI even supplied weapons. Most members of any of these groups have no interest in violence, but all get tarred for membership if any do. It is routine for law enforcement to lie, and to coerce people under their control to lie, to serve whatever narrative their boss somewhere up the line has constructed. It is not exceptional: they consider this their job.

worik 4y ago

Prejudice. When providing aid involving police that want to attack the very people you are providing aid to (most of whom are legal, black African with weird sounding accents, they smell funny because they eat different food from you and they speak a language you do not understand, but they are in your country legally, mostly) is evil. Racist and evil

bequanna 4y ago
Of course most immigrants are law-abiding and good citizens. I think most of us know that. The challenge is that this specific group in this specific location has an outsized number of people that are aiding terrorist organizations. It is pry worth trying to figure out why. But also, it would be irresponsible if our govt didn’t allocate resources to try and stop that.
- worik 4y ago
  > The challenge is that this specific group in this specific location has an outsized number of people that are aiding terrorist organizations. Racism
  - dontcare007 4y ago
    How so?
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > this specific group in this specific location has an outsized number of people that are aiding terrorist organizations Can you back that up with anything at all? That is a very dangerous accusation, and obviously plays to prejudice and racism regardless of intentions. It seems it should be stated very specifically and with clear evidence. Edit: Someone else posted an article. I still think that nobody should make claims like that without being specific and having evidence. 64 people do not indict an entire community. What does the OP imply about DHS, for example? > most immigrants are law-abiding and good citizens Most people are law-abiding and good citizens, but some are not. It has nothing to do with immigration status. I happen to think that all people were created equal, regardless of where they were born.

wolverine876 4y ago

If it only takes a few bad actors, everyone in the US would be condemned by guilt by association. We are responsible for our own acts, not people who look like us (imagine what that would mean for US-born people with white skin!). I think a claim against anyone and especially any group of people needs to be supported by clear evidence. It's too dangerous and easy to demonize some outsider group, and we've seen a long history of horrible outcomes for innocent people. There is much more reason to suspect problems at DHS, given the OP.

ncmncm 4y ago
This.

thrown321 4y ago