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> Also crime prediction software isn’t making any alarm bells go off for me Do you see any similarities with redlining? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

> Also crime prediction software isn’t making any alarm bells go off for me Do you see any similarities with redlining? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

seibelj 4y ago
Considering the criticism here is that it's racist, isn't it odd that black Americans want increased police presence in their communities when compared to whites? > The share of Black adults who say police spending in their area should be decreased has fallen 19 percentage points since last year (from 42% to 23%), including a 13-point decline in the share who say funding should be decreased a lot (from 22% to 9%). The share of White and Hispanic adults who say funding for local police should be decreased also declined over this period, but not as much. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-share-of-americans-say-they-want-more-spending-on-police-in-their-area/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-sha...
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- the_only_law 4y ago
  What exactly does this have to do with crime prediction software? Or do you just assume that the vauge concept of increased police presence expands to crime prediction software in their minds?
- dataflow 4y ago
  You avoided my question. Moreover I don't believe they're asking for software to make this decision for them. Rather, I would think they want to be able to decide how much police presence they get. Just because I'm fine with X outcome in the present, that doesn't imply I am fine with arbitrary software that happens to lead to X outcome in the present.
  - seibelj 4y ago
    If some algorithm says crime is more likely to happen in neighborhoods ABC and XYZ, and therefore put more police there, doesn't seem like a problem. I would prefer more police everywhere given the crime rates. But I'm someone who likes to be safe, YMMV
    - dataflow 4y ago
      > If some algorithm says crime is more likely to happen in neighborhoods ABC and XYZ, and therefore put more police there, doesn't seem like a problem. Again, I must ask: do you see any similarities to redlining?
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seibelj 4y ago

Considering the criticism here is that it's racist, isn't it odd that black Americans want increased police presence in their communities when compared to whites? > The share of Black adults who say police spending in their area should be decreased has fallen 19 percentage points since last year (from 42% to 23%), including a 13-point decline in the share who say funding should be decreased a lot (from 22% to 9%). The share of White and Hispanic adults who say funding for local police should be decreased also declined over this period, but not as much. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-share-of-americans-say-they-want-more-spending-on-police-in-their-area/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-sha...

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the_only_law 4y ago
What exactly does this have to do with crime prediction software? Or do you just assume that the vauge concept of increased police presence expands to crime prediction software in their minds?
dataflow 4y ago
You avoided my question. Moreover I don't believe they're asking for software to make this decision for them. Rather, I would think they want to be able to decide how much police presence they get. Just because I'm fine with X outcome in the present, that doesn't imply I am fine with arbitrary software that happens to lead to X outcome in the present.
- seibelj 4y ago
  If some algorithm says crime is more likely to happen in neighborhoods ABC and XYZ, and therefore put more police there, doesn't seem like a problem. I would prefer more police everywhere given the crime rates. But I'm someone who likes to be safe, YMMV
  - dataflow 4y ago
    > If some algorithm says crime is more likely to happen in neighborhoods ABC and XYZ, and therefore put more police there, doesn't seem like a problem. Again, I must ask: do you see any similarities to redlining?
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