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You won't be able to run Windows 11 without a webcam
- PaulHoule 4y agoI hope you don't really need it because I've always had the webcam burn out on any laptop I've had after a few years.
- sockaddr 4y agoWhat laptops are you buying?
- PaulHoule 4y agoDell
- sockaddr 4y agoI'm curious, is there a reason you buy Dell given the apparent quality issues?
- PaulHoule 4y agoUsually it is a work machine that was bought for me, sometimes I keep a work machine after I leave or bring home surplus work machines. My employer either had a contract with Dell already or they were a mac shop but found it easy to buy from Dell.
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- maxbaines 4y agoOr rather OEM's won't be able to sell a new laptop with Windows 11 pre-installed without a webcam.
- guestbest 4y agoI hope they support W10 as long as the hd webcam is a requirement in W11
- theandrewbailey 4y ago> What this means is that Microsoft is expecting 720p with a resolution of 1280 x 720 and 1:1 aspect ratio. Looking at the chart below that, some important information was left out that dramatically changes the meaning of that sentence.
- navjack27 4y agoYeah. Pixel aspect ratio isn't aspect ratio
- dixie_land 4y agoVery likely part of a push for Windows Hello (Face ID) personally I enjoy it enough to buy a webcam for my desktop to be able to unlock with face
- Someone1234 4y ago> Very likely part of a push for Windows Hello (Face ID) Very certainly isn't. Windows Hello requires special hardware within the webcam for infrared depth mapping, which isn't common or standard. The linked document[0] doesn't require Windows Hello-supporting cameras now or later. [0] https://download.microsoft.com/download/7/8/8/788bf5ab-0751-4928-a22c-dffdc23c27f2/Minimum%20Hardware%20Requirements%20for%20Windows%2011.pdf https://download.microsoft.com/download/7/8/8/788bf5ab-0751-...
- theandrewbailey 4y agoBad idea. A court can't compel you to type a password, but they can compel you to sit in front of a camera (to unlock your device). https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/26/court-orders-us-capitol-rioter-to-unlock-his-laptop-with-his-face/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/26/court-orders-us-capitol-ri...
- kyriakos 4y agoSame as fingerprints and faceid though.
- kyriakos 4y agoThis requirement is for laptops only. OEM desktops won't require a webcam.
- spacemanmatt 4y agocue the null-webcam USB stubs
- Someone1234 4y agoMicrosoft would quickly hear about that from end-users or the press, and pull that OEM's certification or stop selling them OEM Windows 11 licenses. These are OEM minimums. Per the linked document Windows 11 will happily install on a machine without a camera (e.g. PCs). It is that Microsoft won't certify OEM's machines/sell them discount licenses without checking these boxes.
- spacemanmatt 4y agoAgreed, and totally fair. I still think there will be a hacker here or there with an OEM build who just wants to make. it. go.
- dellIsBetter 4y agocrazy 1984
- mirntyfirty 4y agoIt’s only for your protection. /s
- kyriakos 4y agoCameras can have physical shutters if needed
- dleslie 4y agoI downgraded my machines to windows 10, did the necessary bios changes to prevent Microsoft from trying to force 11 on me, and have not looked back. They roped me in with the wsl improvements, but everything else was such a massive step backwards that I felt compelled to revert. Hearing that they're pushing Hello is just eyeroll inducing. Of course they want to harvest more biometric data.
- chrisandchris 4y agoSo I won't be able to run Win 11? Their bad :)
- moron4hire 4y agoRequired for devices that... aren't PCs. So tablets and smartphones.
- albertopv 4y agoFor the moment: "However, this requirement will become mandatory starting with the 1st of January, 2023, a fact which will most likely force many of the manufacturers to also include a webcam in devices like laptops or tablets." Anyway, I don't know of any laptop without a webcam, although often it's quite awful.
- cptskippy 4y ago> often it's quite awful. That's the cause of this requirement. MS is tired of marketing departments checking off boxes on their spec sheet by picking the cheapest part from the discount bin.
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- meibo 4y agoThis is clickbait: these are requirements for OEMs on laptops - basically what you need to have to get the "Runs Windows 11" sticker.
- ARandumGuy 4y agoHow many new laptops are even available without a webcam? I don't see this making any meaningful impact on the laptop market.
- plorkyeran 4y agoThe minimum specs for the webcam are probably the more relevant part. Even incredibly cheap laptops have a webcam, but it's sometimes a 15fps 480p one that isn't actually useful for anything.
- cptskippy 4y agoI'm speculating but I'd put money on the fact that Microsoft is tired of OEMs/ODMs shipping the cheapest cut rate excuse for a laptop running their OS and making Microsoft look bad.
- kyriakos 4y agoEcaclty this. Microsoft is setting the standards that it expects its OS to run on. Might increase the average windows 11 laptop prices but at least will make sure people don't buy those crappy speced laptops that OEMs put out.
- cptskippy 4y agoQueue all the conspiracy theories and people ignoring the fact that every MacBook ships with an HD camera. Could it be that M$ (haven't used that in a while) is tired of manufacturers shipping garbage with Microsoft's latest OS installed? I remember purchasing a brand new HP Tablet for under $100 that shipped with Microsoft's latest OS (8.1 I believe). I knew it was going to be bad, I was curious just how bad though. I wasn't prepared for HP to look at my incredibly low expectations and say "hold my beer". When you purchase an Apple product, any Apple product, you know it's going to be at worst a middling experience. It seems like Microsoft's requirements for Windows 11 are just holding manufacturers to higher expectations.
- wonderbore 4y agoIf anything it bugs me to see that the requirements are so low: > 720p Ok not too bad > more than 15fps I thought this was 2022, anything less than 24 is basically garbage and it’s pointless to even have 720p at that frame rate.
- cptskippy 4y agoI haven't looked in a minute but 0.3MP (640x480) cameras were quite common just a few years ago on budget laptops. Often webcams can achieve higher FPS at lower resolutions, so specifying 720p @ 15FPS prevents them from shipping a 720p sensor that does say 15FPS but only at 320x240.
- ray_z 4y ago> I remember purchasing a brand new HP Tablet for under $100 > When you purchase an Apple product, any Apple product, you know it's going to be at worst a middling experience. Is there an apple tablet that costs less than 100$ so we can compare the two ?
- cptskippy 4y agoNo, because Apple has standards. Which is what Microsoft is trying to establish.
- Markoff 4y agoJust one more reason to not update to W11, on my work computer I run W10, but if I had to reinstall system Is probably opt for W7, this year reinstalled backup laptop to W8.1 but no reason to not go even lower.
- larrymcp 4y agoYep, still chugging along with Windows 7 here; it sure is fine by me
- belltaco 4y agoNo, these requirements are for OEM sales, your computer will run just fine with Windows 11.
- Markoff 4y agoI am aware it's for OEM, I said one more reason, it doesn't need to affect me directly to be reason to ignore this horrible update with all disadvantages like forcing online account/installation and ridiculous hardware requirements.
- breadloaf 4y agoBlack electric tape.
- sys_64738 4y agoOK. I don't have any issues with that as I don't use Windows 11.