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> Lots of "secure" messaging apps do this for intel and surveillance and not just the white hats. It's how Apple would do iMessage intercepts for the FBI.
by dmix 4y ago
> Lots of "secure" messaging apps do this for intel and surveillance and not just the white hats.
It's how Apple would do iMessage intercepts for the FBI.
- criddell 4y agoI wonder if Messages will be available at all in lockdown mode? If Apple can be compelled to build in surveillance (and it's not clear to me that they can be), then it really should be.
- selykg 4y agoI think they indicated it will be, for example, they indicated that link previews would not be available, if I recall correctly.
- gabagool 4y agoIn a word, yes. > Messages: Most message attachment types other than images are blocked. Some features, like link previews, are disabled. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/07/apple-expands-commitment-to-protect-users-from-mercenary-spyware/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/07/apple-expands-commitm...
- londons_explore 4y agoLockdown mode protects against bad snoopers, not good snoopers...
- nojito 4y agoYou can't really do this in iMessage.
- vorpalhex 4y agoWhat makes you think that?
- nojito 4y agoBecause it's impossible to "hide" recipients/devices. The get request will reveal that you're messaging someone you didn't want to and anyone adding a "stealth" device to a number auto-notifies all devices linked to that number.
- dmix 4y agoI was talking about using a 3rd party key and copying during transit, not explicitly adding an additional contact to the message and sending it using standard channels. There has been papers in the past based off of Apple's own documentation that showed it was possible. But based on some googling Apple hasn't provided this capability, at least to the FBI (they claimed it would require modifying the iMessage key server, so we have to trust them on that they haven't done that yet), mostly because they don't need to - the iCloud backups are usually enough for pen-register intercepts. A leaked FBI's document backs this claim up: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/whatsapp-imessage-facebook-apple-fbi-privacy-1261816/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/what...
- nojito 4y agoAgain..this isn't possible because we would have seen its use already and why the FBI uses the iCloud backup strategy for investigations.
- dmix 4y ago> we would have seen its use already and why the FBI uses the iCloud backup strategy for investigations. That's what I just said, it still doesn't mean the feds would be dumb enough to make visible changes the destination contacts