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EU regulators make anti-speeding tech and 'black box' mandatory by 2035

38 points by evo_9 4y ago

car_analogy 4y ago
> If it detects that the driver is speeding it can perform one of four actions: send out a visual or acoustic warning (like a warning message in the instrument cluster or a chime), emit a series of vibrations (likely through the steering wheel), provide haptic feedback through the accelerator pedal, or automatically slow the car down to the posted limit. Carmakers are free to choose how the system they adopt reacts. While the main issue is forcing items we own to disobey us and instead answer to a different master, I'd like to point out that all the proposed actions are either distractions when one should be focusing on the road, or a dangerous override of user inputs (will it slow down when you're trying to overtake or merge into traffic?)
- slezyr 4y ago
  Eh... Apart from messing with input, I like it. Sometimes, it's hard to notice when the "city", "village" starts and reduce your speed. Our highways sometimes might pass through the small cities. It's european thing. It's in my interest not to speed there. Usually, only OpenStreetMaps(OsmAnd) helps me see when the city starts.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    And none of the systems enforcing this will be able to give you better info than your own eyes. As in, they will not solve the problem you describe. So many times the cars with these smart assistants either: - get triggered by a wrong sign; for example off-ramp having different speed limit than main road and the car picking up the sign on the off-ramp - don’t see an actual sign, especially in the tight bends - have no clue that a speed limit is enforced at specific times only - the biggest danger: poor visibility, especially in heavy rain I very much like having a reference speed limit in front of me, especially on a HUD. I also very much like a speed limiter. But a car not obeying inputs of the driver, that’s a bit too far. I’m the driver, I can see what the speed limit is, the car thinks it knows but in many cases, it’s plain wrong. Automatic braking will be very dangerous. I wonder how many tesla-style accidents we’re going to witness caused by those automatically slowing down systems. Frankly, I very much look forward to when a speed limit of 120kph gets introduced in Germany and the day after it’s introduced it will be „dangerous to speed” while people were driving much faster for decades…
konschubert 4y ago
Finally. Our cities and roads will be safer with this, which increases the freedom for everybody to move about safely. PS: The title seems to be incorrectly editorialised? This is coming in 2024, not 2035. How to ping @dang?
- sounds 4y ago
  Email him using the email in his profile.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
My impression is that the EU in general is a lot more paternalistic than the US. Whether with regards to guns, health, environment, taxes, speech the EU values personal freedom less than having the government watch out for you.
- konschubert 4y ago
  This is about enforcing a law in order to defend the right of its citizens to move safely in public without being endangered by a speeding car. I’m not a fan of EU mentality but in this case i don’t see the problem.
  - Vecr 4y ago
    I think a major problem if the car designer designed it to slow down would be emergency situations where you have to speed to evade/flee danger, or you have to use your car to ram a roadblock or group of attackers. Your vehicle is a weapon and a tool, you should be able to use it to the extent required by the situation.
    - konschubert 4y ago
      I think the number of people killed by speeding cars is much higher than the number of people that would be killed by your hypothetical scenario, in any given time frame. That being said, the article specifies that the limiter can be overridden by pushing the pedal through.
  - brianwawok 4y ago
    Zombie/alien invasion. Americans are going to be driving 120 MPH waving their guns. Europeans are going to be driving 55 KMH holding their 5cm long steak knife. Your only hope will to be get Russia to come help.
    - CBarkleyU 4y ago
bouke 4y ago
Maybe we can then also post actual desired speed limits? Current limits at various places I drive by already incorporate speeding and are thus lower than the actual desired limit.
- konschubert 4y ago
  Really? Where does it say so?
  - bouke 4y ago
    What do you mean? I’m just posting a personal opinion/observation about speed limits in my region.
    - konschubert 4y ago
      You made it sound like a known fact, while in reality it’s just a theory you have.
      - witheld 4y ago
        He thought it was just a theory he had, but it’s actually an observable fact in America. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32014821#32016867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32014821#32016867
    - ta394857448 4y ago
      Opinion? You mean a widely shared and scientifically backed "opinion". https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0386111218300876 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S038611121... This is definitely a local thing though, that may, understandably, be foreign to foreigners.
  - TheJoeMan 4y ago
    Here’s an example doc describing Speed Limits being based on 85th percentile: https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/files/sharedassets/public/ltu/transportation/traffic-engineering/regulatory-speed-limits.pdf?ltu https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/files/sharedassets/public/ltu/tra...
exabrial 4y ago
This will get turned over once it cuts into local tax revenues. Those fancy dinners and lush hotels for government officials aren't going to pay for themselves.
oynqr 4y ago
Just creating a system that tells you the current speed limit is a herculean task, with signs being frequently wrong and generally terrible. The same stretch of road can have different speed limits depending from where you entered it, at least in Germany.

38 points by evo_9 4y ago

> If it detects that the driver is speeding it can perform one of four actions: send out a visual or acoustic warning (like a warning message in the instrument cluster or a chime), emit a series of vibrations (likely through the steering wheel), provide haptic feedback through the accelerator pedal, or automatically slow the car down to the posted limit. Carmakers are free to choose how the system they adopt reacts. While the main issue is forcing items we own to disobey us and instead answer to a different master, I'd like to point out that all the proposed actions are either distractions when one should be focusing on the road, or a dangerous override of user inputs (will it slow down when you're trying to overtake or merge into traffic?)

slezyr 4y ago
Eh... Apart from messing with input, I like it. Sometimes, it's hard to notice when the "city", "village" starts and reduce your speed. Our highways sometimes might pass through the small cities. It's european thing. It's in my interest not to speed there. Usually, only OpenStreetMaps(OsmAnd) helps me see when the city starts.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  And none of the systems enforcing this will be able to give you better info than your own eyes. As in, they will not solve the problem you describe. So many times the cars with these smart assistants either: - get triggered by a wrong sign; for example off-ramp having different speed limit than main road and the car picking up the sign on the off-ramp - don’t see an actual sign, especially in the tight bends - have no clue that a speed limit is enforced at specific times only - the biggest danger: poor visibility, especially in heavy rain I very much like having a reference speed limit in front of me, especially on a HUD. I also very much like a speed limiter. But a car not obeying inputs of the driver, that’s a bit too far. I’m the driver, I can see what the speed limit is, the car thinks it knows but in many cases, it’s plain wrong. Automatic braking will be very dangerous. I wonder how many tesla-style accidents we’re going to witness caused by those automatically slowing down systems. Frankly, I very much look forward to when a speed limit of 120kph gets introduced in Germany and the day after it’s introduced it will be „dangerous to speed” while people were driving much faster for decades…

konschubert 4y ago

Finally. Our cities and roads will be safer with this, which increases the freedom for everybody to move about safely. PS: The title seems to be incorrectly editorialised? This is coming in 2024, not 2035. How to ping @dang?

sounds 4y ago
Email him using the email in his profile.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

My impression is that the EU in general is a lot more paternalistic than the US. Whether with regards to guns, health, environment, taxes, speech the EU values personal freedom less than having the government watch out for you.

konschubert 4y ago
This is about enforcing a law in order to defend the right of its citizens to move safely in public without being endangered by a speeding car. I’m not a fan of EU mentality but in this case i don’t see the problem.
- Vecr 4y ago
  I think a major problem if the car designer designed it to slow down would be emergency situations where you have to speed to evade/flee danger, or you have to use your car to ram a roadblock or group of attackers. Your vehicle is a weapon and a tool, you should be able to use it to the extent required by the situation.
  - konschubert 4y ago
    I think the number of people killed by speeding cars is much higher than the number of people that would be killed by your hypothetical scenario, in any given time frame. That being said, the article specifies that the limiter can be overridden by pushing the pedal through.
- brianwawok 4y ago
  Zombie/alien invasion. Americans are going to be driving 120 MPH waving their guns. Europeans are going to be driving 55 KMH holding their 5cm long steak knife. Your only hope will to be get Russia to come help.
  - CBarkleyU 4y ago

bouke 4y ago

Maybe we can then also post actual desired speed limits? Current limits at various places I drive by already incorporate speeding and are thus lower than the actual desired limit.

konschubert 4y ago
Really? Where does it say so?
- bouke 4y ago
  What do you mean? I’m just posting a personal opinion/observation about speed limits in my region.
  - konschubert 4y ago
    You made it sound like a known fact, while in reality it’s just a theory you have.
    - witheld 4y ago
      He thought it was just a theory he had, but it’s actually an observable fact in America. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32014821#32016867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32014821#32016867
  - ta394857448 4y ago
    Opinion? You mean a widely shared and scientifically backed "opinion". https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0386111218300876 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S038611121... This is definitely a local thing though, that may, understandably, be foreign to foreigners.
- TheJoeMan 4y ago
  Here’s an example doc describing Speed Limits being based on 85th percentile: https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/files/sharedassets/public/ltu/transportation/traffic-engineering/regulatory-speed-limits.pdf?ltu https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/files/sharedassets/public/ltu/tra...

exabrial 4y ago

This will get turned over once it cuts into local tax revenues. Those fancy dinners and lush hotels for government officials aren't going to pay for themselves.

oynqr 4y ago

Just creating a system that tells you the current speed limit is a herculean task, with signs being frequently wrong and generally terrible. The same stretch of road can have different speed limits depending from where you entered it, at least in Germany.