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When a quarter of the class identifies as trans

20 points by bkohlmann 4y ago

bigbillheck 4y ago
When a quarter of the class is left-handed.
- verdverm 4y ago
  That would also be an outlier, about 10% of people are left handed
  - bigbillheck 4y ago
    Not much of one, the p-value of "observe at least 7 of 28 given a rate of 0.1" is about 0.018. Look at more than a few of those classrooms and chances of finding that get real good.
hoppyhoppy2 4y ago
>A quarter of the girls in my daughter’s class identify as transgender. Seven out of 28. Is this an all-girls' school?
- bigbillheck 4y ago
gotthetshirt 4y ago
Not only shades of anorexia. Looked at the recovered memory movement in the 90s where unhappy women decided either on their own or with the help of psychologists that the reason for their unhappiness was that they had been sexually abused as an infant and 'suppressed it.' Articles were being published all over the place talking about this "awakening" with claims 1/4 of all women had been abused in this way. Of course, the money to be made on these women wasn't as much and the movement had a natural enemy in the form of the wrongly-accused parents. Now parents are co-opted, "trans son or dead daughter". The mind is incredibly flexible and it's easy to convince kids of just about anything. And young women are extremely vulnerable to suggestion. The whole thing is a total and utter shitshow and extracting ourselves out of this mess is going to be incredibly painful and slow.
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eesmith 4y ago
> My daughter’s trans identity started when the school taught a module on ‘identity’ during which they told a group of 11-year-olds that, if you feel uncomfortable in your body, it means you are transgender. Yeah, I don't believe that happened. Sex ed books explicitly say things like (quoting https://www.google.com/search?q=puberty+%22uncomfortable+with+your+body%22&tbm=bks&ei=a_zGYoWfDuGHxc8P4eiBiA0&ved=0ahUKEwjFgO3IjOf4AhXhQ_EDHWF0ANEQ4dUDCAg&uact=5&oq=puberty+%22uncomfortable+with+your+body%22&gs_lcp=Cg1nd3Mtd2l6LWJvb2tzEANQ2QJYkCBgpyFoBnAAeACAAWiIAcoQkgEEMjAuNJgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-books https://www.google.com/search?q=puberty+%22uncomfortable+wit... ) "As you go through puberty, you may feel uncomfortable with your body as certain parts are growing and changing shape.", "So the next time you have a “fat day” or feel uncomfortable with your body please remember that both men and women ... ", "Puberty causes a lot of changes to happen in a short amount of time. If you're uncomfortable with your body, you're not alone.", "On top of all that—maybe even more important, from a teen's point of view—it's just not fun to feel uncomfortable with your body." Why isn't this parent complaining about the lousy quality of the sex education in the kid's school? Or covered this possibility long ago when teaching her about what might happen with puberty? > Their official policy seems to be to just go with whatever the kids say without informing the parents. Okay, and so? We had a kid in school who went by the nickname "Moose". Does anyone seriously think the teachers informed the parents of that? > we are trying to protect our kids ... from having radical surgery on their developing bodies. Just how many minors are getting 'radical surgery' without their parents consent? Who then is paying for it?
- CivBase 4y ago
  > Yeah, I don't believe that happened. It's not hard to believe that an 11-year-old being taught about transgenderism might come away with "if you feel uncomfortable in your body, it means you are transgender" as the message - even if it wasn't intended by the teacher. Humans of all ages love to believe they have more control than they do and it's easy to imagine how a kid might decide to pursue transgender treatments to try and escape puberty. > Why isn't this parent complaining about the lousy quality of the sex education in the kid's school? I'm pretty sure the main point of this blog post was complaining about how her child's school handles sex education, particularly in regards to sexual identity. > Does anyone seriously think the teachers informed the parents of that? A nickname with seemingly no derogatory implications is not comparable to the sexual identity of a child. > Just how many minors are getting 'radical surgery' without their parents consent? Who then is paying for it? I don't think the implication was that their child would attempt to get surgery on their own. Rather, that they are finding it tough to balance the immediate desires of their child with their own concerns about their child's long-term well being - particularly while the school promotes messages which conflict with their own.
sn0w_crash 4y ago
It will be Interesting to see how the kids who get irreversible surgery will grow up. Will some number of them grow to resent the influence their parents and teacher? There have been numerous documented cases of transition regret. I wonder what the impact will be when that number is multiplied 10x or 100x.
smegsicle 4y ago
bediger4000 4y ago
Kids have a lot of information at their fingertips these days. I don't think that I heard about "transgender" until maybe highschool. Kids also can see the extra duties, requirements for behavior and dress, discrimination and harassment that end up on girls and women. My thought is that if a child sees all this, and that they'd be subject to it, why wouldn't that child avoid those extra expectations, burdens, duties, harassment and discrimination by saying "I'm not a girl"?

20 points by bkohlmann 4y ago

bigbillheck 4y ago

When a quarter of the class is left-handed.

verdverm 4y ago
That would also be an outlier, about 10% of people are left handed
- bigbillheck 4y ago
  Not much of one, the p-value of "observe at least 7 of 28 given a rate of 0.1" is about 0.018. Look at more than a few of those classrooms and chances of finding that get real good.

hoppyhoppy2 4y ago

>A quarter of the girls in my daughter’s class identify as transgender. Seven out of 28. Is this an all-girls' school?

bigbillheck 4y ago

gotthetshirt 4y ago

Not only shades of anorexia. Looked at the recovered memory movement in the 90s where unhappy women decided either on their own or with the help of psychologists that the reason for their unhappiness was that they had been sexually abused as an infant and 'suppressed it.' Articles were being published all over the place talking about this "awakening" with claims 1/4 of all women had been abused in this way. Of course, the money to be made on these women wasn't as much and the movement had a natural enemy in the form of the wrongly-accused parents. Now parents are co-opted, "trans son or dead daughter". The mind is incredibly flexible and it's easy to convince kids of just about anything. And young women are extremely vulnerable to suggestion. The whole thing is a total and utter shitshow and extracting ourselves out of this mess is going to be incredibly painful and slow.

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eesmith 4y ago

> My daughter’s trans identity started when the school taught a module on ‘identity’ during which they told a group of 11-year-olds that, if you feel uncomfortable in your body, it means you are transgender. Yeah, I don't believe that happened. Sex ed books explicitly say things like (quoting https://www.google.com/search?q=puberty+%22uncomfortable+with+your+body%22&tbm=bks&ei=a_zGYoWfDuGHxc8P4eiBiA0&ved=0ahUKEwjFgO3IjOf4AhXhQ_EDHWF0ANEQ4dUDCAg&uact=5&oq=puberty+%22uncomfortable+with+your+body%22&gs_lcp=Cg1nd3Mtd2l6LWJvb2tzEANQ2QJYkCBgpyFoBnAAeACAAWiIAcoQkgEEMjAuNJgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-books https://www.google.com/search?q=puberty+%22uncomfortable+wit... ) "As you go through puberty, you may feel uncomfortable with your body as certain parts are growing and changing shape.", "So the next time you have a “fat day” or feel uncomfortable with your body please remember that both men and women ... ", "Puberty causes a lot of changes to happen in a short amount of time. If you're uncomfortable with your body, you're not alone.", "On top of all that—maybe even more important, from a teen's point of view—it's just not fun to feel uncomfortable with your body." Why isn't this parent complaining about the lousy quality of the sex education in the kid's school? Or covered this possibility long ago when teaching her about what might happen with puberty? > Their official policy seems to be to just go with whatever the kids say without informing the parents. Okay, and so? We had a kid in school who went by the nickname "Moose". Does anyone seriously think the teachers informed the parents of that? > we are trying to protect our kids ... from having radical surgery on their developing bodies. Just how many minors are getting 'radical surgery' without their parents consent? Who then is paying for it?

CivBase 4y ago
> Yeah, I don't believe that happened. It's not hard to believe that an 11-year-old being taught about transgenderism might come away with "if you feel uncomfortable in your body, it means you are transgender" as the message - even if it wasn't intended by the teacher. Humans of all ages love to believe they have more control than they do and it's easy to imagine how a kid might decide to pursue transgender treatments to try and escape puberty. > Why isn't this parent complaining about the lousy quality of the sex education in the kid's school? I'm pretty sure the main point of this blog post was complaining about how her child's school handles sex education, particularly in regards to sexual identity. > Does anyone seriously think the teachers informed the parents of that? A nickname with seemingly no derogatory implications is not comparable to the sexual identity of a child. > Just how many minors are getting 'radical surgery' without their parents consent? Who then is paying for it? I don't think the implication was that their child would attempt to get surgery on their own. Rather, that they are finding it tough to balance the immediate desires of their child with their own concerns about their child's long-term well being - particularly while the school promotes messages which conflict with their own.

sn0w_crash 4y ago

It will be Interesting to see how the kids who get irreversible surgery will grow up. Will some number of them grow to resent the influence their parents and teacher? There have been numerous documented cases of transition regret. I wonder what the impact will be when that number is multiplied 10x or 100x.

smegsicle 4y ago

bediger4000 4y ago

Kids have a lot of information at their fingertips these days. I don't think that I heard about "transgender" until maybe highschool. Kids also can see the extra duties, requirements for behavior and dress, discrimination and harassment that end up on girls and women. My thought is that if a child sees all this, and that they'd be subject to it, why wouldn't that child avoid those extra expectations, burdens, duties, harassment and discrimination by saying "I'm not a girl"?