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We should all be wary of corporate control and claim to rights built from their user base, especially if those services are offered for "free". That's fine the

We should all be wary of corporate control and claim to rights built from their user base, especially if those services are offered for "free". That's fine then. And I agree with you. But leave you with this. Do. Not. Give. The. Company. Your. Data. They are literally "non-corporal" entities and work toward increasing profit and stakeholder value Again, I agree. But if you think this is a bad thing, then you don't believe in capitalism, and I'm not quite sure what the intention is to argue this point on a platform (HN) that encourages the most basic forms of capitalism - starting up companies with innovative technology and solutions.

jjoonathan 4y ago
Yeah, nothing says "commie" like trust busting and keeping markets competitive.
EGreg 4y ago
What a pretty picture capitalism is. Break out the popcorn for the latest regular installment of “ok for me but not for thee”: People You May Know employs tons of shady stuff Facebook doesn’t reveal and has saved their bacon early on from stagnating at around 100M users. https://mashable.com/article/people-you-may-know-facebook-creepy https://mashable.com/article/people-you-may-know-facebook-cr... Facebook Beacon and others had a big outcry. They got hauled into Congress multiple times. And of course whenever they get caught, they always throw a “mea culpa” and do it all over again in a year under a different name. Here they are recording faces of their users secretly using camera permisions!! https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/facebook-app-recording-camera-iphone-ios-news-feed-bug-update-fix-workaround-a9200696.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/facebook-app-recording-ca... Their entire business model is “Give us all your data for free.” Mark Z early on was flabbergasted himself when he realized he no longer needed to scrape sites on Harvard’s house websites and could just ask people to submit the data for each other: “They ‘trust me’, dumb fucks.” https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a19490586/mark-zuckerberg-called-people-who-handed-over-their-data-dumb-f/ https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a19490586/mark-zucker... Proceeds to build entire business on this data… BUT THEN. Someone else does it to them and they get mad. “You can’t scrape us!” LinkedIn tried this: https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/court-rules-that-data-scraping-is-legal-in-linkedin-appeal/ https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/court-rules-that-da... And it’s not like capitalist enterprises even try to be consistent in their legal complaints: https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/14/apple-calls-out-meta-for-hypocrisy/ https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/14/apple-calls-out-meta-for-hypo...
- mechanical_bear 4y ago
  The problem isn’t “capitalism”, it’s crony-capitalism enabled by certain elements of state complicity.
  - EGreg 4y ago
    Okay, is there a single problem with capitalism, or is it perfect? The problem is never w capitalism?

jjoonathan 4y ago

Yeah, nothing says "commie" like trust busting and keeping markets competitive.

EGreg 4y ago

What a pretty picture capitalism is. Break out the popcorn for the latest regular installment of “ok for me but not for thee”: People You May Know employs tons of shady stuff Facebook doesn’t reveal and has saved their bacon early on from stagnating at around 100M users. https://mashable.com/article/people-you-may-know-facebook-creepy https://mashable.com/article/people-you-may-know-facebook-cr... Facebook Beacon and others had a big outcry. They got hauled into Congress multiple times. And of course whenever they get caught, they always throw a “mea culpa” and do it all over again in a year under a different name. Here they are recording faces of their users secretly using camera permisions!! https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/facebook-app-recording-camera-iphone-ios-news-feed-bug-update-fix-workaround-a9200696.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/facebook-app-recording-ca... Their entire business model is “Give us all your data for free.” Mark Z early on was flabbergasted himself when he realized he no longer needed to scrape sites on Harvard’s house websites and could just ask people to submit the data for each other: “They ‘trust me’, dumb fucks.” https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a19490586/mark-zuckerberg-called-people-who-handed-over-their-data-dumb-f/ https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a19490586/mark-zucker... Proceeds to build entire business on this data… BUT THEN. Someone else does it to them and they get mad. “You can’t scrape us!” LinkedIn tried this: https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/court-rules-that-data-scraping-is-legal-in-linkedin-appeal/ https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/court-rules-that-da... And it’s not like capitalist enterprises even try to be consistent in their legal complaints: https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/14/apple-calls-out-meta-for-hypocrisy/ https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/14/apple-calls-out-meta-for-hypo...

mechanical_bear 4y ago
The problem isn’t “capitalism”, it’s crony-capitalism enabled by certain elements of state complicity.
- EGreg 4y ago
  Okay, is there a single problem with capitalism, or is it perfect? The problem is never w capitalism?