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The plan is to use the plenty of excess renewable production to generate hydrogen and then burn that in the gas plants. Therefore, all gas plants qualifying as

The plan is to use the plenty of excess renewable production to generate hydrogen and then burn that in the gas plants. Therefore, all gas plants qualifying as "green" have to be able to burn hydrogen.

rasz 4y ago
How about specifying its about hydrogen and hydrogen _only_ in the EU resolution then? Is it because its really about whats being pumped over Nord Stream? Lets face it, this resolution has Schroder/Scholz fingerprints all over it.
JanSt 4y ago
Hydrogen is a form of storage. Much energy will be lost in between.
- Brometheus 4y ago
  It doesn't matter when the energy is basically thrown away right now and therefore free. It's called Einspeisemanagement (EisMan or EinsMan). At the moment: Windy & sunny day? Just throw the energy away! Future: Windy & sunny day? Store the energy for a rainy day!
  - JanSt 4y ago
    Yeah it‘s not that easy is it? Enthusiasm and optimism is good but Germany is currently like a train speeding to a wall and people shout: „go faster! We will build breaks easily!“ Russia just took off another big break. And still people don‘t change. This is an emergency situation and people just keep going on the same path. Would be funny if it wouldn‘t be so terrible.
    - Brometheus 4y ago
      Using renewables to create hydrogen and use that, this plan has been calculated trough again and again and again by Deutsche Institut für Wirtschaft (German Institute of Economy) and others and deemed very viable. So I take the science over some random dude on the internet ranting about people not changing or something any day.
      - JanSt 4y ago
        The DIW, although they boast a fancy name, is registered as a lobby organization and they are. They (Kemfert) also calculated in 2020 that - even if Russia cuts gas transfer to 0 - Europe does not need anymore LNG terminals, because we have enough and planning should be stopped. What happened? The planning was stopped. Now we need to quickly order and build at least 2 LNG terminals in Germany and are in the midst of an energy crisis (yes, including power). If they are not able to calculate something that easy, you should not trust them with way more complex calculations. Especially because they are a lobby org.

rasz 4y ago

How about specifying its about hydrogen and hydrogen _only_ in the EU resolution then? Is it because its really about whats being pumped over Nord Stream? Lets face it, this resolution has Schroder/Scholz fingerprints all over it.

JanSt 4y ago

Hydrogen is a form of storage. Much energy will be lost in between.

Brometheus 4y ago
It doesn't matter when the energy is basically thrown away right now and therefore free. It's called Einspeisemanagement (EisMan or EinsMan). At the moment: Windy & sunny day? Just throw the energy away! Future: Windy & sunny day? Store the energy for a rainy day!
- JanSt 4y ago
  Yeah it‘s not that easy is it? Enthusiasm and optimism is good but Germany is currently like a train speeding to a wall and people shout: „go faster! We will build breaks easily!“ Russia just took off another big break. And still people don‘t change. This is an emergency situation and people just keep going on the same path. Would be funny if it wouldn‘t be so terrible.
  - Brometheus 4y ago
    Using renewables to create hydrogen and use that, this plan has been calculated trough again and again and again by Deutsche Institut für Wirtschaft (German Institute of Economy) and others and deemed very viable. So I take the science over some random dude on the internet ranting about people not changing or something any day.
    - JanSt 4y ago
      The DIW, although they boast a fancy name, is registered as a lobby organization and they are. They (Kemfert) also calculated in 2020 that - even if Russia cuts gas transfer to 0 - Europe does not need anymore LNG terminals, because we have enough and planning should be stopped. What happened? The planning was stopped. Now we need to quickly order and build at least 2 LNG terminals in Germany and are in the midst of an energy crisis (yes, including power). If they are not able to calculate something that easy, you should not trust them with way more complex calculations. Especially because they are a lobby org.