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"Gas and Nuclear Turn Green as EU Parliament Approves New Taxonomy" Why TF dont they unbundle obvious German written putin gas part from the Nuclear option and

by rasz 4y ago

"Gas and Nuclear Turn Green as EU Parliament Approves New Taxonomy" Why TF dont they unbundle obvious German written putin gas part from the Nuclear option and vote separately on those two?? Edit: this is such an obvious German EU blackmail - let us fund putin or you dont get clean Nuclear power plants.

JanSt 4y ago
Germany planned to use gas to bridge times with little wind and solar power to be able to turn off nuclear energy. Not smart but true. The new plan is to build even more renewables. and massive storage capacity, a very optimistic undertaking.
- Brometheus 4y ago
  The plan is to use the plenty of excess renewable production to generate hydrogen and then burn that in the gas plants. Therefore, all gas plants qualifying as "green" have to be able to burn hydrogen.
  - rasz 4y ago
    How about specifying its about hydrogen and hydrogen _only_ in the EU resolution then? Is it because its really about whats being pumped over Nord Stream? Lets face it, this resolution has Schroder/Scholz fingerprints all over it.
  - JanSt 4y ago
    Hydrogen is a form of storage. Much energy will be lost in between.
    - Brometheus 4y ago
      It doesn't matter when the energy is basically thrown away right now and therefore free. It's called Einspeisemanagement (EisMan or EinsMan). At the moment: Windy & sunny day? Just throw the energy away! Future: Windy & sunny day? Store the energy for a rainy day!
      - JanSt 4y ago
        Yeah it‘s not that easy is it? Enthusiasm and optimism is good but Germany is currently like a train speeding to a wall and people shout: „go faster! We will build breaks easily!“ Russia just took off another big break. And still people don‘t change. This is an emergency situation and people just keep going on the same path. Would be funny if it wouldn‘t be so terrible.
        Brometheus 4y ago
        Using renewables to create hydrogen and use that, this plan has been calculated trough again and again and again by Deutsche Institut für Wirtschaft (German Institute of Economy) and others and deemed very viable. So I take the science over some random dude on the internet ranting about people not changing or something any day.
        JanSt 4y ago
        The DIW, although they boast a fancy name, is registered as a lobby organization and they are. They (Kemfert) also calculated in 2020 that - even if Russia cuts gas transfer to 0 - Europe does not need anymore LNG terminals, because we have enough and planning should be stopped. What happened? The planning was stopped. Now we need to quickly order and build at least 2 LNG terminals in Germany and are in the midst of an energy crisis (yes, including power). If they are not able to calculate something that easy, you should not trust them with way more complex calculations. Especially because they are a lobby org.
- legulere 4y ago
  Less optimistic than expanding nuclear power when even France does not even manage to replace old failing reactors.
LtWorf 4y ago
Germany was the main push behind "burning wood = renewable energy"
- konschubert 4y ago
  Well, is it not?
  - rasz 4y ago
    Not if you cut ancient forests to heat your house to 24C in the winter https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/illegal-logging-in-romania-benefits-germany-a-1032253.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/illegal-logging-...
    - balfirevic 4y ago
      It is if I only use it to heat the house to 20C?
- rasz 4y ago
  You have to admit its a clever scheme. Start co-firing small % of wood pellets in a coal plant and you magically get a renewable energy plant!
merb 4y ago
btw. the gas push was not only by germany, in fact if you have nuclear you have the same remaining problem as renwables. germany btw. was one of the countries which wanted to block the nuclear part. In fact there were some countries (and still are) who wants to block the whole law (both of it). in fact the gas turbines that are getting funded do need to support hydrogen. (btw. the whole law is mostly about funding)

by rasz 4y ago

JanSt 4y ago

Germany planned to use gas to bridge times with little wind and solar power to be able to turn off nuclear energy. Not smart but true. The new plan is to build even more renewables. and massive storage capacity, a very optimistic undertaking.

Brometheus 4y ago
The plan is to use the plenty of excess renewable production to generate hydrogen and then burn that in the gas plants. Therefore, all gas plants qualifying as "green" have to be able to burn hydrogen.
- rasz 4y ago
  How about specifying its about hydrogen and hydrogen _only_ in the EU resolution then? Is it because its really about whats being pumped over Nord Stream? Lets face it, this resolution has Schroder/Scholz fingerprints all over it.
- JanSt 4y ago
  Hydrogen is a form of storage. Much energy will be lost in between.
  - Brometheus 4y ago
    It doesn't matter when the energy is basically thrown away right now and therefore free. It's called Einspeisemanagement (EisMan or EinsMan). At the moment: Windy & sunny day? Just throw the energy away! Future: Windy & sunny day? Store the energy for a rainy day!
    - JanSt 4y ago
      Yeah it‘s not that easy is it? Enthusiasm and optimism is good but Germany is currently like a train speeding to a wall and people shout: „go faster! We will build breaks easily!“ Russia just took off another big break. And still people don‘t change. This is an emergency situation and people just keep going on the same path. Would be funny if it wouldn‘t be so terrible.
      - Brometheus 4y ago
        Using renewables to create hydrogen and use that, this plan has been calculated trough again and again and again by Deutsche Institut für Wirtschaft (German Institute of Economy) and others and deemed very viable. So I take the science over some random dude on the internet ranting about people not changing or something any day.
        JanSt 4y ago
        The DIW, although they boast a fancy name, is registered as a lobby organization and they are. They (Kemfert) also calculated in 2020 that - even if Russia cuts gas transfer to 0 - Europe does not need anymore LNG terminals, because we have enough and planning should be stopped. What happened? The planning was stopped. Now we need to quickly order and build at least 2 LNG terminals in Germany and are in the midst of an energy crisis (yes, including power). If they are not able to calculate something that easy, you should not trust them with way more complex calculations. Especially because they are a lobby org.
legulere 4y ago
Less optimistic than expanding nuclear power when even France does not even manage to replace old failing reactors.

LtWorf 4y ago

Germany was the main push behind "burning wood = renewable energy"

konschubert 4y ago
Well, is it not?
- rasz 4y ago
  Not if you cut ancient forests to heat your house to 24C in the winter https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/illegal-logging-in-romania-benefits-germany-a-1032253.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/illegal-logging-...
  - balfirevic 4y ago
    It is if I only use it to heat the house to 20C?
rasz 4y ago
You have to admit its a clever scheme. Start co-firing small % of wood pellets in a coal plant and you magically get a renewable energy plant!

merb 4y ago

btw. the gas push was not only by germany, in fact if you have nuclear you have the same remaining problem as renwables. germany btw. was one of the countries which wanted to block the nuclear part. In fact there were some countries (and still are) who wants to block the whole law (both of it). in fact the gas turbines that are getting funded do need to support hydrogen. (btw. the whole law is mostly about funding)