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You moved the goalposts across the planet. Manhattan is an island. You can walk or bike across almost every bridge free of charge. If you want to drive into the

You moved the goalposts across the planet. Manhattan is an island. You can walk or bike across almost every bridge free of charge. If you want to drive into the city you’ll have to pay a one way bridge toll. It’s not a fee per person per day, it’s a one way fee to cross an expensive bridge or tunnel. On the tolling it actually hasn’t happened yet and it’s only applicable south of 60th. Free to drive anywhere in NYC at no additional cost except for the dense traffic riddled area of lower Manhattan. You could also fly directly into NYC and move about by the magic of walking. It’s free. Unfortunately, airfare is also not free and so based on your logic NYC has an airfare surcharge. I recently took a train from Rome to Tuscany. I was outraged that Tuscany charged me a train fee to enter the area.

HWR_14 4y ago
How did I move the goalposts? I mentioned mass transit options in my first post. I wasn't aware of the limitations on the tolls inside Manhattan to below 60th. I can see how you may have focused on the bridge/tunnel tolls (and maybe I should have been more explicit), but that's the word they have been using for those charges. > Free to drive anywhere in NYC at no additional cost except for the dense traffic riddled area of lower Manhattan. This is similar to how you are free to go anywhere in the PATREVE metro area except for the dense, canal-filled area of Venice. > Unfortunately, airfare is also not free and so based on your logic NYC has an airfare surcharge. Apparently LGA (unlike JFK or EWR) is considered walkable. I didn't think it was, but it is with 3 hours. AFAIK, unlike tolls and mass transit, no portion of the airfare goes to NYC, nor does NYC have any direct control over the costs. So it's a good counterexample.
- parkingrift 4y ago
  Here’s where you started: > Try to get to Manhattan without paying the city a toll, for a helicopter permit, or a public transit ticket. I'll wait. Which was trivially answered. But now you want convenience. I am not sure why you’re fixated on this. Venice charges you per person per day to enter and stay in Venice. This is in addition to highway tolls on the way to Venice and tolls to cross the bridge to enter Venice. Roads aren’t free. Bridges aren’t free. NYC does not charge a fee per person per day, but you will similarly pay to cross bridges. So to recap for you: In Italy you pay to travel to Venice via your preferred method of travel. In Venice you pay a fee per person per day. In the US you pay to travel to NYC via your preferred method of travel. In NYC you do not pay a fee per person per day. Hope that simplified things enough for you.

HWR_14 4y ago

How did I move the goalposts? I mentioned mass transit options in my first post. I wasn't aware of the limitations on the tolls inside Manhattan to below 60th. I can see how you may have focused on the bridge/tunnel tolls (and maybe I should have been more explicit), but that's the word they have been using for those charges. > Free to drive anywhere in NYC at no additional cost except for the dense traffic riddled area of lower Manhattan. This is similar to how you are free to go anywhere in the PATREVE metro area except for the dense, canal-filled area of Venice. > Unfortunately, airfare is also not free and so based on your logic NYC has an airfare surcharge. Apparently LGA (unlike JFK or EWR) is considered walkable. I didn't think it was, but it is with 3 hours. AFAIK, unlike tolls and mass transit, no portion of the airfare goes to NYC, nor does NYC have any direct control over the costs. So it's a good counterexample.

parkingrift 4y ago
Here’s where you started: > Try to get to Manhattan without paying the city a toll, for a helicopter permit, or a public transit ticket. I'll wait. Which was trivially answered. But now you want convenience. I am not sure why you’re fixated on this. Venice charges you per person per day to enter and stay in Venice. This is in addition to highway tolls on the way to Venice and tolls to cross the bridge to enter Venice. Roads aren’t free. Bridges aren’t free. NYC does not charge a fee per person per day, but you will similarly pay to cross bridges. So to recap for you: In Italy you pay to travel to Venice via your preferred method of travel. In Venice you pay a fee per person per day. In the US you pay to travel to NYC via your preferred method of travel. In NYC you do not pay a fee per person per day. Hope that simplified things enough for you.