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As does the immune system. Can we _please_ finish opening restrictions and go back to fixing the economic damage that's been done that will be with us for the

by rob_c 4y ago

As does the immune system. Can we _please_ finish opening restrictions and go back to fixing the economic damage that's been done that will be with us for the rest of our lives. Unlike the cough which went away months ago.

hansword 4y ago
Good friend of mine had covid in November. He is still coughing. Nothing went away.
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- xkbarkar 4y ago
  Good friend of mine had influenza and is still coughing. Whats your point?
  - undersuit 4y ago
    Influenza vaccines are offered yearly in many developed countries. Also your friend could have had influenza yesterday for all we know, at least the person you replied to mentioned a time period for their friend's infection.
- rob_c 4y ago
  Good friend of mine is now healthier than 2020, clearly covid magically also made him lose weight...
- an9n 4y ago
  Of my neighbours, colleagues and family, those that took the vaccine are those that are also getting ill with covid over, and over again.
  - undersuit 4y ago
    You live in a country with a ~90% vaccination rate. Of course you see more vaccinated than unvaccinated get sick. How many of the people you are noticing getting Covid are dying between the two groups? How many of the unvaccinated are avoiding the vaccine for real or perceived health complications and have adjusted their behavior to avoid unnecessary exposure?
    - an9n 4y ago
      > ~90% vaccination rate And all deaths within 28 days of a positive test are 'covid deaths', even if they got run over by a bus or actually died of cancer.
didibus 4y ago
Where do you live that still has restrictions? I guess China still has some and that majorly affects the supply chain, though a lot of the inflation seems due to the war in Ukraine which is unrelated to COVID or restrictions. But I also think COVID itself is affecting the economy, because of the increase in sick time.
- rob_c 4y ago
  International travel for one, not to mention lots of places keeping bad policy/rules which are going to take years to be removed again in a lot of cases. > But I also think COVID itself is affecting the economy, because of the increase in sick time. Yes bob being off for 2 weeks is comparable to bob not being able to go to the office to do his job and ask questions for 2 years....
  - didibus 4y ago
    I mean that it's a variable in the equation. Sick leave happens a lot more often as people get COVID once every 6 months and need a few days off. This is an additional strain that continues even as restrictions lift. During the lockdown, the economy boomed, the War in Ukraine from my vantage point seems like a much bigger catalyst. Lockdowns did put a strain on production, but that should catch up again. And what I find is the most difficult to know, is what if we hadn't lockdown, the original COVID and Delta were quite deadly and problematic for unvaccinated, had we all continued as normal we don't know the effect it would have had, could have been better, maybe worse. If another pandemic happens, I hope we don't think what we did for COVID was too much, we lucked out a bit with Covid and it not being as deadly as it could have been, I think the initial lockdowns when people didn't know the virulence yet in some sense were a justifiable decision. You have to make a trade off, and a gamble. People rarely like to gamble with sickness and death. Now I'm with you on lifting restrictions, doesn't seem needed anymore, people self-regulate now based on their own comfort levels. Though I'm a bit still surprised how many deaths are still occuring due to Covid, but finding good information on it has become so hard.
- origin_path 4y ago
  Remember that the USA still bans entry for any reason, no exceptions, for unvaccinated people. Soon they will bump that to anyone without a booster, at which point, most of the population of Switzerland will be banned from entering the USA. All this is utterly pointless of course. Omicron is not exactly absent from the US. Restrictions have very much not gone away.

by rob_c 4y ago

hansword 4y ago

Good friend of mine had covid in November. He is still coughing. Nothing went away.

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xkbarkar 4y ago
Good friend of mine had influenza and is still coughing. Whats your point?
- undersuit 4y ago
  Influenza vaccines are offered yearly in many developed countries. Also your friend could have had influenza yesterday for all we know, at least the person you replied to mentioned a time period for their friend's infection.
rob_c 4y ago
Good friend of mine is now healthier than 2020, clearly covid magically also made him lose weight...
an9n 4y ago
Of my neighbours, colleagues and family, those that took the vaccine are those that are also getting ill with covid over, and over again.
- undersuit 4y ago
  You live in a country with a ~90% vaccination rate. Of course you see more vaccinated than unvaccinated get sick. How many of the people you are noticing getting Covid are dying between the two groups? How many of the unvaccinated are avoiding the vaccine for real or perceived health complications and have adjusted their behavior to avoid unnecessary exposure?
  - an9n 4y ago
    > ~90% vaccination rate And all deaths within 28 days of a positive test are 'covid deaths', even if they got run over by a bus or actually died of cancer.

didibus 4y ago

Where do you live that still has restrictions? I guess China still has some and that majorly affects the supply chain, though a lot of the inflation seems due to the war in Ukraine which is unrelated to COVID or restrictions. But I also think COVID itself is affecting the economy, because of the increase in sick time.

rob_c 4y ago
International travel for one, not to mention lots of places keeping bad policy/rules which are going to take years to be removed again in a lot of cases. > But I also think COVID itself is affecting the economy, because of the increase in sick time. Yes bob being off for 2 weeks is comparable to bob not being able to go to the office to do his job and ask questions for 2 years....
- didibus 4y ago
  I mean that it's a variable in the equation. Sick leave happens a lot more often as people get COVID once every 6 months and need a few days off. This is an additional strain that continues even as restrictions lift. During the lockdown, the economy boomed, the War in Ukraine from my vantage point seems like a much bigger catalyst. Lockdowns did put a strain on production, but that should catch up again. And what I find is the most difficult to know, is what if we hadn't lockdown, the original COVID and Delta were quite deadly and problematic for unvaccinated, had we all continued as normal we don't know the effect it would have had, could have been better, maybe worse. If another pandemic happens, I hope we don't think what we did for COVID was too much, we lucked out a bit with Covid and it not being as deadly as it could have been, I think the initial lockdowns when people didn't know the virulence yet in some sense were a justifiable decision. You have to make a trade off, and a gamble. People rarely like to gamble with sickness and death. Now I'm with you on lifting restrictions, doesn't seem needed anymore, people self-regulate now based on their own comfort levels. Though I'm a bit still surprised how many deaths are still occuring due to Covid, but finding good information on it has become so hard.
origin_path 4y ago
Remember that the USA still bans entry for any reason, no exceptions, for unvaccinated people. Soon they will bump that to anyone without a booster, at which point, most of the population of Switzerland will be banned from entering the USA. All this is utterly pointless of course. Omicron is not exactly absent from the US. Restrictions have very much not gone away.