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What makes you say that? My impression is that it fits the pattern of trying to disrupt society and government and create a vigilante citizenry, similar to enc

What makes you say that? My impression is that it fits the pattern of trying to disrupt society and government and create a vigilante citizenry, similar to encouraging people to arm themselves and use their firearms to prevent crimes.

homonculus1 4y ago
- jasonshaev 4y ago
  No idea what you're even trying to reference in your second sentence, but the first sentence "community law enforcement" is a red flag in my book. The law creates a fiscal incentive for people to report their neighbors for actions that were federally protected at the time this law was passed. Neighbor vs. neighbor. Citizen vs. citizen. We spend more on policing than any country in the world and yet still need to deputize citizens in a heavily armed state? It's not my neighbor's damn business to know if someone in my household seeks an abortion. If fiscally incentivizing vigilantism isn't dystopian I don't know what is.
  - homonculus1 4y ago
    Deputization and vigilantism are antonyms, your framing is incoherent. An elected legislature sanctioning civil action is "dystopian", but rioting and arson? Intimidating judges at their homes? Laundering a decade of domestic terrorism into universities and district attorneys' offices? Never heard of that stuff! Not surprising to me, just absurd.
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      Nobody understands why you are talking about these other crimes. ?
      - homonculus1 4y ago
        Because the pearl-clutching over "turning citizens against one another" is proven disingenuous by the rioting.
        jasonshaev 4y ago
        The discussion was about abortion in the context of digital privacy. You are the one who brought up all of these other things, which have nothing to do with the topic at hand. It's whataboutism and not worth engaging with.
        jchanimal 4y ago
        Protests are typically more of a unity thing.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > community law enforcement I've never heard that term. Usually, the state has a monopoly on violence and justice - that's a definition of a sovereign state. Law enforcement is performed by police. Not sure where the other stuff you mention comes from.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  Vigilantism without oversight, checks and balances quickly devolves into posses terrorizing and brutalizing people they simply don't like. The US has a long history of this. Vigilantism is not the same thing as community-led policing from members of said communities.
  - homonculus1 4y ago
    That's nice, but none of this has anything to do with "vigilantism." The other guy only used that word because he thought it sounded scary. If either of you knew what it meant you would understand that government-sanctioned action, for example a lawsuit with standing provided by statute, is the complete opposite of vigilantism in its entire definition.
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      > The other guy only used that word because he thought it sounded scary. Argument by disparagement. Popular, but it has no force in reason.
      - homonculus1 4y ago
        Once you start using words to mean their own opposite, your claim to reason flies out the window.

homonculus1 4y ago

jasonshaev 4y ago
No idea what you're even trying to reference in your second sentence, but the first sentence "community law enforcement" is a red flag in my book. The law creates a fiscal incentive for people to report their neighbors for actions that were federally protected at the time this law was passed. Neighbor vs. neighbor. Citizen vs. citizen. We spend more on policing than any country in the world and yet still need to deputize citizens in a heavily armed state? It's not my neighbor's damn business to know if someone in my household seeks an abortion. If fiscally incentivizing vigilantism isn't dystopian I don't know what is.
- homonculus1 4y ago
  Deputization and vigilantism are antonyms, your framing is incoherent. An elected legislature sanctioning civil action is "dystopian", but rioting and arson? Intimidating judges at their homes? Laundering a decade of domestic terrorism into universities and district attorneys' offices? Never heard of that stuff! Not surprising to me, just absurd.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    Nobody understands why you are talking about these other crimes. ?
    - homonculus1 4y ago
      Because the pearl-clutching over "turning citizens against one another" is proven disingenuous by the rioting.
      - jasonshaev 4y ago
        The discussion was about abortion in the context of digital privacy. You are the one who brought up all of these other things, which have nothing to do with the topic at hand. It's whataboutism and not worth engaging with.
      - jchanimal 4y ago
        Protests are typically more of a unity thing.
wolverine876 4y ago
> community law enforcement I've never heard that term. Usually, the state has a monopoly on violence and justice - that's a definition of a sovereign state. Law enforcement is performed by police. Not sure where the other stuff you mention comes from.
heavyset_go 4y ago
Vigilantism without oversight, checks and balances quickly devolves into posses terrorizing and brutalizing people they simply don't like. The US has a long history of this. Vigilantism is not the same thing as community-led policing from members of said communities.
- homonculus1 4y ago
  That's nice, but none of this has anything to do with "vigilantism." The other guy only used that word because he thought it sounded scary. If either of you knew what it meant you would understand that government-sanctioned action, for example a lawsuit with standing provided by statute, is the complete opposite of vigilantism in its entire definition.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    > The other guy only used that word because he thought it sounded scary. Argument by disparagement. Popular, but it has no force in reason.
    - homonculus1 4y ago
      Once you start using words to mean their own opposite, your claim to reason flies out the window.