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It's not the same regulation.

twicetwice 4y ago
Yeah. A lot of flamewars have happened: "regulation bad!" vs "no, regulation good!". But in reality, good regulation is good, and bad regulation is bad. It sounds silly written out because it's a tautology, but if more people internalized it we could have much more productive conversations. Instead of going back and forth on whether regulation is good or bad, we should try to figure out which regulations are good and which are bad, and then try to get rid of the bad ones and pass more of the good ones.
- nopenopenopeno 4y ago
  It sounds silly because it is silly. Interested parties prioritize various policies with varying degrees of priority.
- creakingstairs 4y ago
  I’d argue that the underlying system that makes the regulation in US is broken. So you aren’t going to end up with many good regulations without changing the system. Which looks nigh impossible until some black swan event.
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  >But in reality, good regulation is good, and bad regulation is bad. No one brick in the road to hell is bad. But you can definitely pave a road to hell with the accumulation of "positive" changes. People tend to define positive over too short a timeline or too narrowly.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    No one square meter of nature is bad. But you can definitely doom people to horribly die because there is a natural swamp between them and the hospital. People tend to define 'natural' too narrowly, forgetting that 'things that are natural' includes cocaine, tapeworms, rape, birth defects, the Plague and cancer
    - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
      Are you implying that individual regulations all have some inherent goodness on their own? They're just rules we make for ourselves. There's nothing special about them. Opinions like that are why we can't fix messes like this.
GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
Effective regulation is somewhat of an organisational skill. Perhaps its just low pay attracting low talent
- loonster 4y ago
  No. It's the high profit attracting high incentive to capture the regulation. The goal of the regulation is to increase prices (profit) while preventing other parties from competing on prices
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    I am always amazed by these "no-regulation" arguers - how are you doing to resolve disputes? Suppose I want to sell my product, and find a company willing to buy, a middle manager signs the contract. When the company recieved my product, it refuses to pay, says this person was not authorised to sign the contract on behalf of the company. Must the company prove the purchase was unauthorised, or must I prove the employee was authorised? Suppose employee was unauthorised, is it my or the company's problem if this guy 'took initiative', who eats the loss? What if they already used my product and only realised after the bill came due? What if the deal was overpriced like 10x from market average? What if the guy's title says 'Head of procurement' but the company swears their bylaws don't allow him to authorise purchases?
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      They weren't talking about the concept of regulation. Just the reality of the US's ones. And I think you're talking about contract law, not regulations.

Yeah. A lot of flamewars have happened: "regulation bad!" vs "no, regulation good!". But in reality, good regulation is good, and bad regulation is bad. It sounds silly written out because it's a tautology, but if more people internalized it we could have much more productive conversations. Instead of going back and forth on whether regulation is good or bad, we should try to figure out which regulations are good and which are bad, and then try to get rid of the bad ones and pass more of the good ones.

nopenopenopeno 4y ago
It sounds silly because it is silly. Interested parties prioritize various policies with varying degrees of priority.
creakingstairs 4y ago
I’d argue that the underlying system that makes the regulation in US is broken. So you aren’t going to end up with many good regulations without changing the system. Which looks nigh impossible until some black swan event.
throwaway0a5e 4y ago
>But in reality, good regulation is good, and bad regulation is bad. No one brick in the road to hell is bad. But you can definitely pave a road to hell with the accumulation of "positive" changes. People tend to define positive over too short a timeline or too narrowly.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  No one square meter of nature is bad. But you can definitely doom people to horribly die because there is a natural swamp between them and the hospital. People tend to define 'natural' too narrowly, forgetting that 'things that are natural' includes cocaine, tapeworms, rape, birth defects, the Plague and cancer
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    Are you implying that individual regulations all have some inherent goodness on their own? They're just rules we make for ourselves. There's nothing special about them. Opinions like that are why we can't fix messes like this.

GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago

Effective regulation is somewhat of an organisational skill. Perhaps its just low pay attracting low talent

loonster 4y ago
No. It's the high profit attracting high incentive to capture the regulation. The goal of the regulation is to increase prices (profit) while preventing other parties from competing on prices
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  I am always amazed by these "no-regulation" arguers - how are you doing to resolve disputes? Suppose I want to sell my product, and find a company willing to buy, a middle manager signs the contract. When the company recieved my product, it refuses to pay, says this person was not authorised to sign the contract on behalf of the company. Must the company prove the purchase was unauthorised, or must I prove the employee was authorised? Suppose employee was unauthorised, is it my or the company's problem if this guy 'took initiative', who eats the loss? What if they already used my product and only realised after the bill came due? What if the deal was overpriced like 10x from market average? What if the guy's title says 'Head of procurement' but the company swears their bylaws don't allow him to authorise purchases?
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    They weren't talking about the concept of regulation. Just the reality of the US's ones. And I think you're talking about contract law, not regulations.