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Is it just me, or is the language in the essay strangely hard to parse? > But insofar as it is the passing on of second-hand knowledge about being, it is itsel

Is it just me, or is the language in the essay strangely hard to parse? > But insofar as it is the passing on of second-hand knowledge about being, it is itself a form of imposture that reproduces and impersonates without meaning or sense and therefore enacts imposture in the act of naming itself as well as in the manner that it imitates an act of passing on knowledge of an existing disease or syndrome. The essay doesn’t actually have a lot to say, but that fact is hidden by convoluted language. Maybe the author is trying to give the reader impostor syndrome?

WhitneyLand 4y ago
It’s not just you it’s pompous bs.
wisty 4y ago
It's being clever for the sake of being clever. They're saying imposter syndrome is itself a bit of an imposter, because it's often more a meme than a serious disease (whatever that means, it's not in DSM I think, maybe it's a symptom of some kind of anxiety).
Silica6149 4y ago
Reading blogs online, sometimes I don't know if it's the writer's superfluous style that makes it hard for me to understand, or if it was just written with AI.
- nopenopenopeno 4y ago
  E-flux is a very well established art and cultural theory publication. Still, I agree with you. However, as someone who came from that world into computer science, I find the simplistic salesman-like superficiality that is common on many Hacker News tech posts even more off-putting than the wordy mumbo jumbo in E-flux. I think the question is who they’re trying to impress. If you can sort that out, it will be easier to parse and filter.
  - labrador 4y ago
    > the question is who they’re trying to impress As with any community, each other. Not only does the jargon signify belonging, it obscures the real message from the unvitiated.
labrador 4y ago
I tried to translate it. I'm sure I didn't get it right because it is hard to parse: As psychiatrists we see a lot of people coming in saying "Man, I feel like an imposter. I just don't measure up." Most of the time we'll convince them everyone feels that way and they should chillax. It ain't no big thing. A lot of famous people talk about it, almost like they're bragging or something. If that doesn't work we tell them it's just a meaningless label people throw around for something else that is going on. It's modern "disease" of the times. You hear others throw the words around and pretty soon you're wearing that jacket. Now the old white dudes had some thoughts on this but they're outdated. They can't help us because they weren't hip to the needs of women and people of color. You might think most people would go away at this point with less anxiety, but here we get to the real subject we want to speak on, which is privileged people who grew up being told they were special and then finding out everyone in their circle was told the same thing. We can't all be special, lets face it. It's quite a let down for some. It's doubly hard if they haven't separated from their parents yet but no longer get their parents daily affirmations of their specialness because they don't live with them anymore. Those privileged people usually want to go away feeling good about identifying the problem and vowing to learn a little humility, but this is where we get them. We tell them that they are special, but the capitalist system wants to keep them down and consistently on the treadmill for the capitalist masters. We tell them they've been turned into a robot. Then we close the deal and tell them that we are their only hope and it might involve a lot of work with our specialists at considerable cost.
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  >A lot of famous people talk about it, almost like they're bragging or something. yeah if you're famous and super successful in your field and you talk about having imposter syndrome it does feel a bit of a humblebrag.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    Impostor syndrome is when you don't feel you deserve the praise people give you, so the more praise you get the easier it is to feel impostor syndrome. So it isn't strange at all that successful people who gets a lot of praise feel a lot of impostor syndrome. What is strange however are all the people who thinks they have impostor syndrome even though nobody thinks they have done anything great at all. They don't see themselves as impostors, they just see themselves as nobodies and feel bad about that.
dusted 4y ago
Yeah, at first I thought "ah, it's a bit on the lyrical side" but a few paragraphs down I just dropped out, it's too close to unreadable for comfort. I recognize this kind of long-winded, superfluous style from my own way of writing, it becomes too much like some conversational monologue that devolves into incomprehensibility, not out of a want for sounding smart but rather the lack of the talent that is brevity. English is not my first language, and I suspect that plays a part too, it may be the same for the author of that article. Now, on imposter syndrome, I've often thought of myself as having this, but, the comfort that thought gives me makes me wonder if I'm not just seeking validation and trying to put myself up there with those brilliant people who supposedly had it too..
- Jensson 4y ago
  > Now, on imposter syndrome, I've often thought of myself as having this, but, the comfort that thought gives me makes me wonder if I'm not just seeking validation and trying to put myself up there with those brilliant people who supposedly had it too.. Sanity check: have you done something you got praised for and later thought you weren't worth that praise? That is the core of impostor syndrome, if you haven't experienced it then you don't have impostor syndrome. When a brilliant person has impostor syndrome its because others thinks the brilliant person is brilliant, but the brilliant person doesn't see himself as brilliant. But if you fail the first step meaning others don't see you as brilliant, then you can't have impostor syndrome since the syndrome means you don't think you deserve the praise you are getting.
  - asxd 4y ago
    In software at least, just landing a nice paying job seems to cause impostor syndrome, especially if it's one of your first. I guess getting a job offer is a sort of praise though, which fits your point.
    - Jensson 4y ago
      If you feel you don't deserve your job then that is impostor syndrome, yeah.
asxd 4y ago
Not just you. I thought it might have some interesting to say, but I had to stop a ways through it due to the confusing wording.
Animats 4y ago
> Is it just me, or is the language in the essay strangely hard to parse? It's not you. The author appears to have been influenced by deconstructionist philosophy. Read some Derrida to get a feel for this. That style is snarky with a layer of pseudo-intellectualism on top. This was a big thing at liberal arts schools in the 1990s. About one sentence in five will say something concrete. The rest discusses tangents consistent with the author's ideology. There's just enough meat in this sort of writing to prevent it from being dismissed as totally bogus. But the fat content is excessive. Text: By virtue of every imaginable variety of insufficient parenting and relentless contingencies of Oedipal failure, the victim suffered insufficient separation and individuation and was rendered susceptible to feelings of being a fake. The imposter was said to have an undeveloped ego that fluctuated wildly between grandiosity and insufficiency, and to be susceptible to what Freud called “the family romance,” a secret belief that one’s all-too-abject parents could not really be one’s parents. Surely, the imposter thinks, the real parents will arrive to reveal the truth of a more noble bearing. Today’s imposter is not subject to the Oedipal treadmill. Experts assigned by universities and companies to mitigate imposter syndrome emphasize a rigorous self-sufficiency that tends to render the old fashioned attempts at a family-based etiology irrelevant. In another inversion, the neurotic imposter of old was the exception to the normal vicissitudes that would render one rooted in a convincing-enough sense of self. Today’s victim of imposter syndrome is the exception insofar as they belong to an elite and privileged class, but in other respects the imposter is the norm, the expected result of a naturalized economy where parents aspire to produce admirably competitive subjects whose imposter diagnosis testifies to the success of their efforts in raising admirable offspring. Simplified version: Impostor syndrome used to be mostly about with comparing yourself with your parents. (Classical theme of Freudian psychoanalysis.) Now it's more about being in a group of high-achievers and not feeling up to their level. As someone wrote above, "the essay doesn’t actually have a lot to say, but that fact is hidden by convoluted language." Mandatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/451/ https://xkcd.com/451/
- djmips 4y ago
  Nice optimization!

WhitneyLand 4y ago

It’s not just you it’s pompous bs.

wisty 4y ago

It's being clever for the sake of being clever. They're saying imposter syndrome is itself a bit of an imposter, because it's often more a meme than a serious disease (whatever that means, it's not in DSM I think, maybe it's a symptom of some kind of anxiety).

Silica6149 4y ago

Reading blogs online, sometimes I don't know if it's the writer's superfluous style that makes it hard for me to understand, or if it was just written with AI.

nopenopenopeno 4y ago
E-flux is a very well established art and cultural theory publication. Still, I agree with you. However, as someone who came from that world into computer science, I find the simplistic salesman-like superficiality that is common on many Hacker News tech posts even more off-putting than the wordy mumbo jumbo in E-flux. I think the question is who they’re trying to impress. If you can sort that out, it will be easier to parse and filter.
- labrador 4y ago
  > the question is who they’re trying to impress As with any community, each other. Not only does the jargon signify belonging, it obscures the real message from the unvitiated.

labrador 4y ago

I tried to translate it. I'm sure I didn't get it right because it is hard to parse: As psychiatrists we see a lot of people coming in saying "Man, I feel like an imposter. I just don't measure up." Most of the time we'll convince them everyone feels that way and they should chillax. It ain't no big thing. A lot of famous people talk about it, almost like they're bragging or something. If that doesn't work we tell them it's just a meaningless label people throw around for something else that is going on. It's modern "disease" of the times. You hear others throw the words around and pretty soon you're wearing that jacket. Now the old white dudes had some thoughts on this but they're outdated. They can't help us because they weren't hip to the needs of women and people of color. You might think most people would go away at this point with less anxiety, but here we get to the real subject we want to speak on, which is privileged people who grew up being told they were special and then finding out everyone in their circle was told the same thing. We can't all be special, lets face it. It's quite a let down for some. It's doubly hard if they haven't separated from their parents yet but no longer get their parents daily affirmations of their specialness because they don't live with them anymore. Those privileged people usually want to go away feeling good about identifying the problem and vowing to learn a little humility, but this is where we get them. We tell them that they are special, but the capitalist system wants to keep them down and consistently on the treadmill for the capitalist masters. We tell them they've been turned into a robot. Then we close the deal and tell them that we are their only hope and it might involve a lot of work with our specialists at considerable cost.

bryanrasmussen 4y ago
>A lot of famous people talk about it, almost like they're bragging or something. yeah if you're famous and super successful in your field and you talk about having imposter syndrome it does feel a bit of a humblebrag.
- Jensson 4y ago
  Impostor syndrome is when you don't feel you deserve the praise people give you, so the more praise you get the easier it is to feel impostor syndrome. So it isn't strange at all that successful people who gets a lot of praise feel a lot of impostor syndrome. What is strange however are all the people who thinks they have impostor syndrome even though nobody thinks they have done anything great at all. They don't see themselves as impostors, they just see themselves as nobodies and feel bad about that.

dusted 4y ago

Yeah, at first I thought "ah, it's a bit on the lyrical side" but a few paragraphs down I just dropped out, it's too close to unreadable for comfort. I recognize this kind of long-winded, superfluous style from my own way of writing, it becomes too much like some conversational monologue that devolves into incomprehensibility, not out of a want for sounding smart but rather the lack of the talent that is brevity. English is not my first language, and I suspect that plays a part too, it may be the same for the author of that article. Now, on imposter syndrome, I've often thought of myself as having this, but, the comfort that thought gives me makes me wonder if I'm not just seeking validation and trying to put myself up there with those brilliant people who supposedly had it too..

Jensson 4y ago
> Now, on imposter syndrome, I've often thought of myself as having this, but, the comfort that thought gives me makes me wonder if I'm not just seeking validation and trying to put myself up there with those brilliant people who supposedly had it too.. Sanity check: have you done something you got praised for and later thought you weren't worth that praise? That is the core of impostor syndrome, if you haven't experienced it then you don't have impostor syndrome. When a brilliant person has impostor syndrome its because others thinks the brilliant person is brilliant, but the brilliant person doesn't see himself as brilliant. But if you fail the first step meaning others don't see you as brilliant, then you can't have impostor syndrome since the syndrome means you don't think you deserve the praise you are getting.
- asxd 4y ago
  In software at least, just landing a nice paying job seems to cause impostor syndrome, especially if it's one of your first. I guess getting a job offer is a sort of praise though, which fits your point.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    If you feel you don't deserve your job then that is impostor syndrome, yeah.

asxd 4y ago

Not just you. I thought it might have some interesting to say, but I had to stop a ways through it due to the confusing wording.

Animats 4y ago

> Is it just me, or is the language in the essay strangely hard to parse? It's not you. The author appears to have been influenced by deconstructionist philosophy. Read some Derrida to get a feel for this. That style is snarky with a layer of pseudo-intellectualism on top. This was a big thing at liberal arts schools in the 1990s. About one sentence in five will say something concrete. The rest discusses tangents consistent with the author's ideology. There's just enough meat in this sort of writing to prevent it from being dismissed as totally bogus. But the fat content is excessive. Text: By virtue of every imaginable variety of insufficient parenting and relentless contingencies of Oedipal failure, the victim suffered insufficient separation and individuation and was rendered susceptible to feelings of being a fake. The imposter was said to have an undeveloped ego that fluctuated wildly between grandiosity and insufficiency, and to be susceptible to what Freud called “the family romance,” a secret belief that one’s all-too-abject parents could not really be one’s parents. Surely, the imposter thinks, the real parents will arrive to reveal the truth of a more noble bearing. Today’s imposter is not subject to the Oedipal treadmill. Experts assigned by universities and companies to mitigate imposter syndrome emphasize a rigorous self-sufficiency that tends to render the old fashioned attempts at a family-based etiology irrelevant. In another inversion, the neurotic imposter of old was the exception to the normal vicissitudes that would render one rooted in a convincing-enough sense of self. Today’s victim of imposter syndrome is the exception insofar as they belong to an elite and privileged class, but in other respects the imposter is the norm, the expected result of a naturalized economy where parents aspire to produce admirably competitive subjects whose imposter diagnosis testifies to the success of their efforts in raising admirable offspring. Simplified version: Impostor syndrome used to be mostly about with comparing yourself with your parents. (Classical theme of Freudian psychoanalysis.) Now it's more about being in a group of high-achievers and not feeling up to their level. As someone wrote above, "the essay doesn’t actually have a lot to say, but that fact is hidden by convoluted language." Mandatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/451/ https://xkcd.com/451/

djmips 4y ago
Nice optimization!