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No such right exists.

by MattGaiser 4y ago

Spivak 4y ago
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/pages/glossary/right-free-movement_en https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/pages/glossary/right-free-... https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-movement-of-persons https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-...
- imgabe 4y ago
  That only talks about being able to travel from one country to another within the EU. Not that any country can't restrict movement within one area in it's borders. I'm sure you can't freely wander onto a military base in any EU country and claim it's your right of free movement to go anywhere you want.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Yes but on the other extreme if a state in the EU tried to create a 1 acre free movement zone within the country and then restricted movement everywhere else they would run afoul of the law. It's not black and white. The question is where restricting access to an entire city lives.
    - imgabe 4y ago
      The question is what constitutes restriction. They aren't telling anybody they can't go there at all, just that they have to make a reservation and pay a fee. Likewise you can travel into any EU country, but that doesn't mean they can't require you to show a passport.
    - jazzyjackson 4y ago
      well there are such things as gated communities, where only residents are allowed through the gate. it's not difficult to imagine this being extended to a kind of special-economic-zone where only members are allowed. in fact I believe that's a plot point in snow crash.
xdennis 4y ago
Rights are only asserted when someone thinks to limit them. You also don't have the right to breathe air because no one has been so insane as to ban that. I can't think of another time an entire city was placed behind a paywall, other than in communist countries where you need a passport to travel between cities. Probably more will follow this terrible example and the world will be a worse place for it.

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No such right exists.

by MattGaiser 4y ago

No such right exists.

Spivak 4y ago
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/pages/glossary/right-free-movement_en https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/pages/glossary/right-free-... https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-movement-of-persons https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-...
- imgabe 4y ago
  That only talks about being able to travel from one country to another within the EU. Not that any country can't restrict movement within one area in it's borders. I'm sure you can't freely wander onto a military base in any EU country and claim it's your right of free movement to go anywhere you want.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Yes but on the other extreme if a state in the EU tried to create a 1 acre free movement zone within the country and then restricted movement everywhere else they would run afoul of the law. It's not black and white. The question is where restricting access to an entire city lives.
    - imgabe 4y ago
      The question is what constitutes restriction. They aren't telling anybody they can't go there at all, just that they have to make a reservation and pay a fee. Likewise you can travel into any EU country, but that doesn't mean they can't require you to show a passport.
    - jazzyjackson 4y ago
      well there are such things as gated communities, where only residents are allowed through the gate. it's not difficult to imagine this being extended to a kind of special-economic-zone where only members are allowed. in fact I believe that's a plot point in snow crash.
xdennis 4y ago
Rights are only asserted when someone thinks to limit them. You also don't have the right to breathe air because no one has been so insane as to ban that. I can't think of another time an entire city was placed behind a paywall, other than in communist countries where you need a passport to travel between cities. Probably more will follow this terrible example and the world will be a worse place for it.