"As you said, the moment you cross to in between or to management, bullshiting and lying becomes normal." I definitely didn't say that! I said 'the moment you

"As you said, the moment you cross to in between or to management, bullshiting and lying becomes normal." I definitely didn't say that! I said 'the moment you cross to the business side you see the technical side bullshitting'. Step out of the bike-shedding technobabble wars for a minute and you'll see technical organizations are more like cats than dogs ... refused to be herded or do tricks, they do 'what they want' and 'think it's right'. I will admit there is a degree of overt candor in the technical side that is worse on the business side, but there's enough lack of self awareness among techies as to the level of the value of what they are producing, technical debt, trying cool new things, pie in the sky thinking etc.. 80% of technical work should be more or less like 'construction' not 'research' - admittedly that 20% is also quite rare and critical. The kinds of BS-ing and inefficiency on 'both sides' are different and that's what the OP might be struggling with. And 'Sales' - that's another dimension entirely - don't worry or even assume anything about 'honesty' there, they bring in the $$$, that's the fuel that drives everything else. Don't assume they are liars necessarily other, it's just a different form of communication.