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Almost nothing you've said here is correct. The Unix philosophy has very little to do with desktop fragmentation and everything to do with the fact that unlike

Almost nothing you've said here is correct. The Unix philosophy has very little to do with desktop fragmentation and everything to do with the fact that unlike macos and windows: it's not that commercial an endeavor. A common employer is a main reason many work on someone else's ideas when they can just work on their own ideas. Even when there are commercialization efforts: investment and adoption circular. The challenges are much much bigger than just the desktop fragmentation. See: ChromeOS. Investment can solve these problems. Similarly, Fuchsia is a much bigger effort about the future of operating systems and not about just desktop environment quirkiness. Again, they have ChromeOS for that. Don't get me wrong, I agree this all hurts Linux adoption, and as a user I wish it were different.

rvz 4y ago
Everything I said is the brutal, hard, evergreen truth. > The Unix philosophy has very little to do with desktop fragmentation and everything to do with the fact that unlike macos and windows: it's not that commercial an endeavor. A common employer is a main reason many work on someone else's ideas when they can just work on their own ideas. It is part of the in-fighting, which contributes to the whole desktop fragmentation issues, distro forks and chaos around it and its frankly an unsolvable disaster. The whole debating between system components such as systemd vs init.d, X11 vs Wayland, Pulseaudio vs Portaudio vs Pipewire have further contributed to the alternatives of alternatives desktop fragmentation and it is a tug of war between UNIX philosophy greybeards and other devs attempting to solve the fragmentation for years. Due to this failure of consensus: No app developer can 'define Linux support' and cater to all desktop Linux users 100% of the time, unlike Windows, and macOS. > See: ChromeOS. Investment can solve these problems. Only for Google. They already have learned from the mistakes of these distros and are going to replace it with Fuchsia. ChromeOS is still a mostly closed-source system despite using a Linux kernel, just exactly like Android still is, which isn't the same thing as the chaos you see in many open-source full Linux distros. > Similarly, Fuchsia is a much bigger effort about the future of operating systems and not about just desktop environment quirkiness. Again, they have ChromeOS for that. Hence why Google is replacing ChromeOS with Fuchsia, which includes and avoids all of the above.
- kjeetgill 4y ago
  > Everything I said is the brutal, hard, evergreen truth. Hey, I'm not here defending any of the desktop chaos or waving the whole: "but atleast choice is good!" flag. I just disagree with your attribution of everything to "the unix philosophy" and then snowballing that into Fuchsia. I just think convergence is the exception not the norm for FOSS and this was more true before then now. That's less about "the unix philosophy" and more that only companies come with referees who pay you to converge and polish.

rvz 4y ago

Everything I said is the brutal, hard, evergreen truth. > The Unix philosophy has very little to do with desktop fragmentation and everything to do with the fact that unlike macos and windows: it's not that commercial an endeavor. A common employer is a main reason many work on someone else's ideas when they can just work on their own ideas. It is part of the in-fighting, which contributes to the whole desktop fragmentation issues, distro forks and chaos around it and its frankly an unsolvable disaster. The whole debating between system components such as systemd vs init.d, X11 vs Wayland, Pulseaudio vs Portaudio vs Pipewire have further contributed to the alternatives of alternatives desktop fragmentation and it is a tug of war between UNIX philosophy greybeards and other devs attempting to solve the fragmentation for years. Due to this failure of consensus: No app developer can 'define Linux support' and cater to all desktop Linux users 100% of the time, unlike Windows, and macOS. > See: ChromeOS. Investment can solve these problems. Only for Google. They already have learned from the mistakes of these distros and are going to replace it with Fuchsia. ChromeOS is still a mostly closed-source system despite using a Linux kernel, just exactly like Android still is, which isn't the same thing as the chaos you see in many open-source full Linux distros. > Similarly, Fuchsia is a much bigger effort about the future of operating systems and not about just desktop environment quirkiness. Again, they have ChromeOS for that. Hence why Google is replacing ChromeOS with Fuchsia, which includes and avoids all of the above.

kjeetgill 4y ago
> Everything I said is the brutal, hard, evergreen truth. Hey, I'm not here defending any of the desktop chaos or waving the whole: "but atleast choice is good!" flag. I just disagree with your attribution of everything to "the unix philosophy" and then snowballing that into Fuchsia. I just think convergence is the exception not the norm for FOSS and this was more true before then now. That's less about "the unix philosophy" and more that only companies come with referees who pay you to converge and polish.