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It's funny how they made an article about 4 short comments between 2 devs. People sure like to hate on change. Rather odd for a forum about disruptive startups
by mgbmtl 4y ago
It's funny how they made an article about 4 short comments between 2 devs.
People sure like to hate on change. Rather odd for a forum about disruptive startups.
Might be worth thinking about where Wayland was 5 years ago, and where it is now, and where it will be in 5-10 years. That's basically what the conversation was about.
- spacemanmatt 4y agoPretty much agreed. And we should also be projecting Wayland's future on a non-linear basis. Lets of groundwork has gone into it, similar to pipewire, and that will create a tipping point for the project in terms of stability and feature delivery rate.
- viraptor 4y agoThat's a weird comparison. The first time I heard about pipewire it replaced both pa and Jack for me without sacrificing anything and actually improved everything. And that was before it was picked up by distros. Wayland on the other hand is widely deployed and I still can't always use it for basic use cases like screen sharing.
- mgbmtl 4y agosystemd then :) but such comparisons will always have shortcomings. For what it's worth, screensharing works fine for me. I use it with Zoom and Mattermost (webrtc). Are you on an old version? I'm on 1.18 I think (Debian 11) Screen-recording is still a bit cringe. The builtin Gnome tool is OK, but a bit clunky. I miss Kazam.
- spacemanmatt 4y agoI'd argue pipewire is a much smaller scope and has had better collaboration from everyone involved. You got in when the distros quite reasonably made the switch on your behalf and it was not an especially difficult call for them. Wayland has a bit more baggage, bad actors in the video hardware/driver territory, etc. Distros are facing a way harder decision on Wayland to make on your behalf, especially as Wayland starts to support some use cases fully while still not hitting others.
- erik_seaberg 4y agoDoes pipewire still do software rendering at the app server (because no GPU) and then run a video codec to ship whole frames to the desktop?
- spacemanmatt 4y agoNah, bro. We're modern.
- erik_seaberg 4y agoI think I had it confused with waypipe.
- monocasa 4y agoYeah, el reg sort of prove the maxim "believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see". Like once I was reading that a product I was an engineer on got a huge contract that I absolutely would have known about and would have been on call for. Remember that a lot of reg stories are banking on the idea that anyone who actually knows better won't break their NDA to inform the public.
- lproven 4y ago[Author here] This is precisely why I tend to festoon my articles with links, as citations. In the specialist world of desktop Linux, a lot of the stuff about rival toolkits and display servers is well-known and understood. For the vast majority of people who work with computers, using Windows or macOS on the desktop and Linux only on servers if that, then this stuff is largely unknown. I try to bridge the gap by providing some context and explanation of what's going on, what it means, what it might lead to and so on. Actually, from my own personal career history, even people working with Linux on the desktop often don't know much of this stuff. If they know enough to have a preferred distro and desktop, many people look no further.
- lproven 4y ago[Article author here] It's a holiday in the USA, meaning little news from there, and for 2 days where I live in Czechia. It's a slow news time of year. That's why. :-)