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The 16" MBP would have been a much better machine for most people if it didn't have a dedicated GPU. The CPU got pretty toasty as-is, but adding a dGPU into the
by deergomoo 4y ago
The 16" MBP would have been a much better machine for most people if it didn't have a dedicated GPU. The CPU got pretty toasty as-is, but adding a dGPU into the mix just turned it into a furnace.
The way the thing was wired up also meant that connecting to an external display engaged the GPU, and some unacknowledged hardware or software flaw set the power/heat floor to about 20W (it's not just the minimum draw of the chip—you can have the GPU active without an external display and it uses a fraction of that). The end result: if you have it plugged into a monitor, you're almost constantly hearing a fan, even when idle.
Mine replaced a 2015 entry-level MacBook Pro which, while it served me well, had long since fallen behind what I needed. I was so excited to have the 16" for about a week, until I realised that I was never going to not be hearing fans screaming. I know laptops (especially big laptops) aren't actually meant to be used on laps for extended periods, but I genuinely couldn't with that thing. Even mild load would make it uncomfortable to be in physical contact with. I don't understand how none of the reviews seemed to pick up on it—perhaps everyone was too distracted by finally having a functional keyboard again to notice.
The sad irony of it all is that I bet the vast majority of purchasers were developers like myself, who have absolutely no need for a dedicated GPU.
In any case I sold mine and bought an M1 Air, which I've been very happy with ever since. As nice as these new ones look (and as great as the new 14" and 16" M1 Pros are), I don't think I could justify it. This thing handles everything I throw at it (though my wife has the 8GB model and it really doesn't seem to be enough with how much RAM stuff guzzles these days).
- mehrdada 4y ago> The sad irony of it all is that I bet the vast majority of purchasers were developers like myself, who have absolutely no need for a dedicated GPU. I would seriously doubt that. Mac sales are huge and developers must be a relatively small segment of computer users.
- arvinsim 4y agoThey should have at least put it as an option to not have it. It would be even be cheaper.
- Forgeties79 4y agoThat’s why many folks bought a MacBook and maxed it out. You’d get most of the way there firepower wise, just no dGPU/not quite as good of a screen if memory serves (could be missing something though).
- deergomoo 4y agoYeah but how many of those people are buying computers that start at over two grand? The 16” MBP is firmly a power user machine, and I would bet a lot more power users still don’t need a GPU than do. Especially when you consider many of the people that do need a GPU surely need more than was ever offered in Intel MacBooks, considering they were never particularly good chips even by laptop standards. The base config 2015 15” didn’t have a GPU, seems silly that they removed that option for the 16”.
- mehrdada 4y agoMy response was to the claim that the majority of the customers of that product was developers. It seems unlikely that the majority of the customers of that to be developers simply because of the numbers. Whether they need dGPU or not I don’t know, but I won’t be surprised that the expectation for a 16” Apple customer that doesn’t know much is to have bought a machine capable of video/photo editing and not be surprised by its mediocre performance.