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CSS3 got approved in 2006 and now we are at the point where we have to treat the language like it's fighting against us. Quality work the consortium has done in

CSS3 got approved in 2006 and now we are at the point where we have to treat the language like it's fighting against us. Quality work the consortium has done in the past 15 years, eh?

eurasiantiger 4y ago
That’s not what the site is about at all. It’s ”defensive” in the same sense as ”defensive programming”: handling possible future / edge cases gracefully.
- distantsounds 4y ago
  the fact you can set a CSS version in your code, and have it not act as it did when that version was originally standardized, is exactly what being "defensive" is about. the code you wrote years ago doesn't work anymore because the browsers have decided to do things differently now. and yet I can run applications from 30 years ago and it will still function as it once did. no hacks or code changes required. you shouldn't have to "future proof" source code against an outside entity just coming in and breaking it all. especially when it's supposed to be an open standard.
  - rimliu 4y ago
    Windows is full of hacks to allow that "I can run applications from 30 years ago" to happen.
  - squidbeak 4y ago
    I'm curious which css code from years ago won't work any more. Care to elaborate?
    - noisymemories 4y ago
      Not OP, but flexbox went very famously trough a few breaking changes throughout its early history: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Flexible_Box_Layout/Backwards_Compatibility_of_Flexbox https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Flexibl... There were also some more subtle behavior changes a few years ago in the way webkit handled unprefixed flex-direction centering properties (align-items, justify-content) together with min-width/min-height attributes, switching from behaving closer to IE11 in this regard to basically emulating Blink. AFAIK neither behavior was really against-spec. And if you really want to go all-in with some really deep philosophical questions, I can suggest you the following: Is it possible to center text in a select box? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10813528/is-it-possible-to-center-text-in-select-box https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10813528/is-it-possible-...

CSS3 got approved in 2006 and now we are at the point where we have to treat the language like it's fighting against us. Quality work the consortium has done in the past 15 years, eh?

eurasiantiger 4y ago

That’s not what the site is about at all. It’s ”defensive” in the same sense as ”defensive programming”: handling possible future / edge cases gracefully.

distantsounds 4y ago
the fact you can set a CSS version in your code, and have it not act as it did when that version was originally standardized, is exactly what being "defensive" is about. the code you wrote years ago doesn't work anymore because the browsers have decided to do things differently now. and yet I can run applications from 30 years ago and it will still function as it once did. no hacks or code changes required. you shouldn't have to "future proof" source code against an outside entity just coming in and breaking it all. especially when it's supposed to be an open standard.
- rimliu 4y ago
  Windows is full of hacks to allow that "I can run applications from 30 years ago" to happen.
- squidbeak 4y ago
  I'm curious which css code from years ago won't work any more. Care to elaborate?
  - noisymemories 4y ago
    Not OP, but flexbox went very famously trough a few breaking changes throughout its early history: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Flexible_Box_Layout/Backwards_Compatibility_of_Flexbox https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Flexibl... There were also some more subtle behavior changes a few years ago in the way webkit handled unprefixed flex-direction centering properties (align-items, justify-content) together with min-width/min-height attributes, switching from behaving closer to IE11 in this regard to basically emulating Blink. AFAIK neither behavior was really against-spec. And if you really want to go all-in with some really deep philosophical questions, I can suggest you the following: Is it possible to center text in a select box? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10813528/is-it-possible-to-center-text-in-select-box https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10813528/is-it-possible-...