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Just to put things into perspective, the 2019 MBP might be worse than M1 Macs, but it's still way better than anything I've seen in the PC world (which is why M

Just to put things into perspective, the 2019 MBP might be worse than M1 Macs, but it's still way better than anything I've seen in the PC world (which is why Macs have been able to coast through bad decisions regarding keyboard, ports, and touchbar for so many years). That said, I'm very excited for these new ARM devices.

loeg 4y ago
I don’t believe it’s better than non-mac products.
- maccard 4y ago
  Curious what you'd buy instead?
  - pleb_nz 4y ago
    I had a Lenovo P15 before my current M1Pro. That thing was a machine. I got roughly the same battery life through day of dev work, got to choose my OS, it did everything perfectly. Only thing it lacked on imo was looks. So yeah, in my experience, there are other laptops out there that are as good.
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    - smoldesu 4y ago
      I used to work on the similar P51, definitely a nice device for Unix work. I also keep a maxed-out T460s around as a handy little notebook for programming and photo editing. Not as powerful as the P51, but the design feels like a refinement of the "manila envelope" Macbook Airs. Lenovo hardware is starting to find it's footing again, though there's still a number of really Lovecraftian devices they made in the early 2010s (T440p, anyone? How about an X240?).
    - maccard 4y ago
      Thanks - my experience with laptop workstations has pretty much universally been huge bulky machines with horrific cooling that is heavily throttled and the battery only lasts 2-4 hours under load. My M1 Mac lasts all day even when compiling which is night and day. The OS option isn't a problem for me - I'm content running windows/Mac regardles!
smoldesu 4y ago
> it's still way better than anything I've seen in the PC world Man, if the 2019 16" Macbook is better than anything in the PC world, I feel like you don't try many laptops. That 16" laptop is one of the most comically terrible laptops I've ever seen. Nevermind the Touch Bar, the performance envelope on these devices is way off (and probably boils down to the terrible chassis design and logic board layout). I have a friend with the i7 model, and it would regularly hit 90c on completely benign workloads like watching YouTube or browsing through her calendar. The battery life is distinctly worse than most laptops I've seen at that size too, which really left me scratching my head over these machines. Even the 2019 13" model wasn't that bad. With all fairness though, I've never owned one or driven it full-time. I just remember balking at how poorly thought-out the hardware was at the time, and feeling pretty good about my choice to abandon Macbooks altogether.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  I have the 13” model at home and the 16” at work. My work computer runs hot and slow, but that seems to be attributable largely to (or at least confounded by) corporate malware (falcond in particular IIRC).
pleb_nz 4y ago
Last I heard a Mac is a PC. Hey even phones are PCs. They're all personal computers. In fact I would say mac's are more often PC then windows machines. Windows machines are often not personal and are used my many people in big orgs in a shared corporate fashion.
- pc86 4y ago
  Oh man it's been a while since I've seen this particular flavor of needless pedantry. What a blast from the past!
  - arvinsim 4y ago
    What's a computer?
  - pleb_nz 4y ago
    Lol. I haven't heard someone define mac's and PCs as different like that in a long time. Apple did an amazing job to market it as such and create an us and them division. Imagine Tesla started marketing themselves as 'we're not a car, were a Tesla' Although true, it was some what meant in jest
    - throwaway894345 4y ago
      That may all well be true, but nevertheless, virtually everyone understands and uses the “Mac vs PC” distinction.
      - pleb_nz 4y ago
        Doesn't mean they should never be put right either. Just because something has been called something that it should always be called that. That's seems to be big thing in western society at the moment.
        throwaway894345 4y ago
        I disagree. Pedantry adds no value, and moralizing semantics seems silly at best. What counts is that people understand clearly, and in this case everyone did.
depereo 4y ago
The XPS9575 was great (with linux). I still use it for laptop tasks despite having a 16 inch m1 mbp and a 13 inch m1 mba.

loeg 4y ago

I don’t believe it’s better than non-mac products.

maccard 4y ago
Curious what you'd buy instead?
- pleb_nz 4y ago
  I had a Lenovo P15 before my current M1Pro. That thing was a machine. I got roughly the same battery life through day of dev work, got to choose my OS, it did everything perfectly. Only thing it lacked on imo was looks. So yeah, in my experience, there are other laptops out there that are as good.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    I used to work on the similar P51, definitely a nice device for Unix work. I also keep a maxed-out T460s around as a handy little notebook for programming and photo editing. Not as powerful as the P51, but the design feels like a refinement of the "manila envelope" Macbook Airs. Lenovo hardware is starting to find it's footing again, though there's still a number of really Lovecraftian devices they made in the early 2010s (T440p, anyone? How about an X240?).
  - maccard 4y ago
    Thanks - my experience with laptop workstations has pretty much universally been huge bulky machines with horrific cooling that is heavily throttled and the battery only lasts 2-4 hours under load. My M1 Mac lasts all day even when compiling which is night and day. The OS option isn't a problem for me - I'm content running windows/Mac regardles!

smoldesu 4y ago

> it's still way better than anything I've seen in the PC world Man, if the 2019 16" Macbook is better than anything in the PC world, I feel like you don't try many laptops. That 16" laptop is one of the most comically terrible laptops I've ever seen. Nevermind the Touch Bar, the performance envelope on these devices is way off (and probably boils down to the terrible chassis design and logic board layout). I have a friend with the i7 model, and it would regularly hit 90c on completely benign workloads like watching YouTube or browsing through her calendar. The battery life is distinctly worse than most laptops I've seen at that size too, which really left me scratching my head over these machines. Even the 2019 13" model wasn't that bad. With all fairness though, I've never owned one or driven it full-time. I just remember balking at how poorly thought-out the hardware was at the time, and feeling pretty good about my choice to abandon Macbooks altogether.

throwaway894345 4y ago
I have the 13” model at home and the 16” at work. My work computer runs hot and slow, but that seems to be attributable largely to (or at least confounded by) corporate malware (falcond in particular IIRC).

pleb_nz 4y ago

Last I heard a Mac is a PC. Hey even phones are PCs. They're all personal computers. In fact I would say mac's are more often PC then windows machines. Windows machines are often not personal and are used my many people in big orgs in a shared corporate fashion.

pc86 4y ago
Oh man it's been a while since I've seen this particular flavor of needless pedantry. What a blast from the past!
- arvinsim 4y ago
  What's a computer?
- pleb_nz 4y ago
  Lol. I haven't heard someone define mac's and PCs as different like that in a long time. Apple did an amazing job to market it as such and create an us and them division. Imagine Tesla started marketing themselves as 'we're not a car, were a Tesla' Although true, it was some what meant in jest
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    That may all well be true, but nevertheless, virtually everyone understands and uses the “Mac vs PC” distinction.
    - pleb_nz 4y ago
      Doesn't mean they should never be put right either. Just because something has been called something that it should always be called that. That's seems to be big thing in western society at the moment.
      - throwaway894345 4y ago
        I disagree. Pedantry adds no value, and moralizing semantics seems silly at best. What counts is that people understand clearly, and in this case everyone did.

depereo 4y ago

The XPS9575 was great (with linux). I still use it for laptop tasks despite having a 16 inch m1 mbp and a 13 inch m1 mba.