5 ms·

As a user, why do I care if apple makes money over 3p devs. They’re all screwing over users in the end anyways. But historical data shows Apple has been enormo

As a user, why do I care if apple makes money over 3p devs. They’re all screwing over users in the end anyways. But historical data shows Apple has been enormously better at strong-arming devs into behaving properly. That’s why I can safely assume that $0 needs to paid to that scummy dev making a flashlight app; I mean, I can safely assume there’s no app on the App Store adding noise by advertising $1 or $10 or whatever for just a flashlight app. In fact, I’m tech savvy enough to see a scammy app on the App Store. Apple needs to toughen up on 3p even more. I see my girlfriend’s phone or my parents iPhone and notice all these apps for taking a screenshot, saving pdfs etc that trick them into buying subscriptions. Whatever Apple is doing makes me fork over $1000 for a phone. At least I can rely on the fact that using it for calculator or the compass isn’t gonna cost me additional $ — no matter how “reasonably small” that fee is from the developer’s perspective.

stale2002 4y ago
> As a user, why do I care if apple makes money over 3p devs. Well the purpose of anti-trust law, and pro competition laws, is usually to prevent companies from using their market power to artificially give themselves a larger cut of the profits. That is one of the reasons why these new laws passed. And all your complaints about security or whatever, ring completely hollow, if you then propose a solution that does nothing to address security, and instead just gives money to Apple. > they’re all screwing over users in the end anyways. If you actually cared about this, then you would have proposed a solution that prevents the bad things from happening to users. Instead, you didn't do that. You instead proposed a solution that just gives money to Apple. > Apple needs to toughen up The point being, that increasing the amount of money given to apple, does not toughen up the app store. Instead it just gives money to Apple. If you cared about toughing up on user protections, you could have given a suggestion that actually does that. But you didn't, once again. You instead just thought of a solution that does nothing to protect users, and instead just gives money to Apple.
- cafed00d 4y ago
  > Well the purpose of anti-trust law, and pro competition laws Well, ordinary people don’t give a shot about this:- they just care about user experience. That’s the point, I think, you’re missing. User experience trumps any conversation about profits, market share and money. Im not suggesting that Apple is the vanguard of user experience and that govts don’t care about users at all. I am suggesting that given the precedent of the web & windows era of computing, no govt agency has thought of policing 3p devs in favor of user experience the way Apple has. You keep complaining that I’m not providing any solutions: I’m not here to do the Govts job. I am here to vocalize my problem so that the Govts and our community can recognize a perspective. Apple’s policing of 3p devs should not be loosened up: that WILL create problems. Heck, if you want a solution, heck, just codify the laws of the developer program into constitutional legislation. I know, that sounds ridiculous. But that’s my point. 3p devs have to be disincentivized from anti-user, criminal behavior. Not just Apple. Don’t hate on Apple just because they’re able to police them better than anyone else.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > User experience trumps any conversation about profits Ok, sure, you can have this opinion. But the point still stands that anyone who claims to care about user experience, and yet only gives a solution that results in Apple getting more money, is giving a bad solution. > just codify the laws of the developer program As long as Apple gets a 0% cut of app revenue, I think that a lot of people would be OK with some of these laws. None of this really matters anymore though. Apple lost. They are now going to lose out on all of these app store fees, for developers that go to a 3rd party app store. And Apple should have proposed a reason solution, that resulted in them getting 0% and also solving these user privacy issues, much sooner. But they didn't do that. And now the EU law is going to happen, whether Apple likes it or not. > 3p devs have to be disincentivized from anti-user And yet the original solution that you gave did none of this, and only gave Apple more money. Which means that your originally gave a dumb idea. > You keep complaining that I’m not providing any solutions You did give a bad solution though. You gave a bad solution that did not help users, and only gave Apple more money. And because you thought of such a stupid idea that doesn't help users in any way, I am accusing you of not caring about users at all, and having bad ideas.

stale2002 4y ago

> As a user, why do I care if apple makes money over 3p devs. Well the purpose of anti-trust law, and pro competition laws, is usually to prevent companies from using their market power to artificially give themselves a larger cut of the profits. That is one of the reasons why these new laws passed. And all your complaints about security or whatever, ring completely hollow, if you then propose a solution that does nothing to address security, and instead just gives money to Apple. > they’re all screwing over users in the end anyways. If you actually cared about this, then you would have proposed a solution that prevents the bad things from happening to users. Instead, you didn't do that. You instead proposed a solution that just gives money to Apple. > Apple needs to toughen up The point being, that increasing the amount of money given to apple, does not toughen up the app store. Instead it just gives money to Apple. If you cared about toughing up on user protections, you could have given a suggestion that actually does that. But you didn't, once again. You instead just thought of a solution that does nothing to protect users, and instead just gives money to Apple.

cafed00d 4y ago
> Well the purpose of anti-trust law, and pro competition laws Well, ordinary people don’t give a shot about this:- they just care about user experience. That’s the point, I think, you’re missing. User experience trumps any conversation about profits, market share and money. Im not suggesting that Apple is the vanguard of user experience and that govts don’t care about users at all. I am suggesting that given the precedent of the web & windows era of computing, no govt agency has thought of policing 3p devs in favor of user experience the way Apple has. You keep complaining that I’m not providing any solutions: I’m not here to do the Govts job. I am here to vocalize my problem so that the Govts and our community can recognize a perspective. Apple’s policing of 3p devs should not be loosened up: that WILL create problems. Heck, if you want a solution, heck, just codify the laws of the developer program into constitutional legislation. I know, that sounds ridiculous. But that’s my point. 3p devs have to be disincentivized from anti-user, criminal behavior. Not just Apple. Don’t hate on Apple just because they’re able to police them better than anyone else.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > User experience trumps any conversation about profits Ok, sure, you can have this opinion. But the point still stands that anyone who claims to care about user experience, and yet only gives a solution that results in Apple getting more money, is giving a bad solution. > just codify the laws of the developer program As long as Apple gets a 0% cut of app revenue, I think that a lot of people would be OK with some of these laws. None of this really matters anymore though. Apple lost. They are now going to lose out on all of these app store fees, for developers that go to a 3rd party app store. And Apple should have proposed a reason solution, that resulted in them getting 0% and also solving these user privacy issues, much sooner. But they didn't do that. And now the EU law is going to happen, whether Apple likes it or not. > 3p devs have to be disincentivized from anti-user And yet the original solution that you gave did none of this, and only gave Apple more money. Which means that your originally gave a dumb idea. > You keep complaining that I’m not providing any solutions You did give a bad solution though. You gave a bad solution that did not help users, and only gave Apple more money. And because you thought of such a stupid idea that doesn't help users in any way, I am accusing you of not caring about users at all, and having bad ideas.