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U.S. Wants ASML to Stop Selling Chipmaking Tools to China

10 points by quyleanh 4y ago

trasz 4y ago
Hopefully this fails. Nothing like pushing China away from the West :-/
- NicoJuicy 4y ago
  It's a reaction on increasing Chinese measures to reduce dependency on the west.
  - trasz 4y ago
    In turn caused by recent US trade war.
    - NicoJuicy 4y ago
      In turn caused by making Hong Kong a police state
      - trasz 4y ago
        According to a country with world's highest incarceration rate, world's largest army, and third world's healthcare. I mean, I'm sorry, but USA is world's Trump. If those accusations were coming from some more civilised country, then it would be worth discussing, sure.
        NicoJuicy 4y ago
        Some people call it wat it is and others call it "re-education" camps. Yes, it affects statistics :)
        NicoJuicy 4y ago
        Ps. Netherlands sentiment from an audience similar to HN Ps. Not positive against china ( has never been) - https://tweakers.net/nieuws/198750/vs-wil-dat-nederland-export-lithografiemachines-asml-naar-china-blokkeert.html https://tweakers.net/nieuws/198750/vs-wil-dat-nederland-expo...
simonblack 4y ago
What goes around comes around. Old saying: "Be nice to the people you meet on your way up the ladder. You'll be meeting those same people again when you're going down the ladder." The West is going to need all the friends it can get in the next decade or so.
- quyleanh 4y ago
  Actually if you (US) never go down, you no need to be nice? In my opinion, this is one of many unfair competition from US. It will slow down the evolution.
  - simonblack 4y ago
    Everybody goes down eventually. Even the US. 100 years ago, Britain was the Top Dog superpower of the day. A few hundred years before that, Portugal and Spain were the twin Top Dog superpowers of the day. A few thousand years earlier it was the Romans and Egyptians who were the Top Dogs. Nobody lives forever, no matter how Exceptional they seem.
severino 4y ago
This sounds like when the US wanted Germany to stop building a gas pipeline with Russia.
- trasz 4y ago
  To me it sounds more like when US wanted to invade Middle East.

10 points by quyleanh 4y ago

trasz 4y ago

Hopefully this fails. Nothing like pushing China away from the West :-/

NicoJuicy 4y ago
It's a reaction on increasing Chinese measures to reduce dependency on the west.
- trasz 4y ago
  In turn caused by recent US trade war.
  - NicoJuicy 4y ago
    In turn caused by making Hong Kong a police state
    - trasz 4y ago
      According to a country with world's highest incarceration rate, world's largest army, and third world's healthcare. I mean, I'm sorry, but USA is world's Trump. If those accusations were coming from some more civilised country, then it would be worth discussing, sure.
      - NicoJuicy 4y ago
        Some people call it wat it is and others call it "re-education" camps. Yes, it affects statistics :)
        NicoJuicy 4y ago
        Ps. Netherlands sentiment from an audience similar to HN Ps. Not positive against china ( has never been) - https://tweakers.net/nieuws/198750/vs-wil-dat-nederland-export-lithografiemachines-asml-naar-china-blokkeert.html https://tweakers.net/nieuws/198750/vs-wil-dat-nederland-expo...

simonblack 4y ago

What goes around comes around. Old saying: "Be nice to the people you meet on your way up the ladder. You'll be meeting those same people again when you're going down the ladder." The West is going to need all the friends it can get in the next decade or so.

quyleanh 4y ago
Actually if you (US) never go down, you no need to be nice? In my opinion, this is one of many unfair competition from US. It will slow down the evolution.
- simonblack 4y ago
  Everybody goes down eventually. Even the US. 100 years ago, Britain was the Top Dog superpower of the day. A few hundred years before that, Portugal and Spain were the twin Top Dog superpowers of the day. A few thousand years earlier it was the Romans and Egyptians who were the Top Dogs. Nobody lives forever, no matter how Exceptional they seem.

severino 4y ago

This sounds like when the US wanted Germany to stop building a gas pipeline with Russia.

trasz 4y ago
To me it sounds more like when US wanted to invade Middle East.