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If rational minds were allowed to prevail at the FDA, we would have had an Omicron booster months ago.

by namlem 4y ago

seper8 4y ago
Who is stopping you getting an omicron booster? (I'm not aware of the current situation in the US btw, just know that it's perfectly possible to get a booster in the NL)
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  OP is more interested in the reformulated vaccines from Pfizer/Moderna more specifically tailored to the Omicron variants rather than another shot with the original formulation which has showed waning efficacy against the newest strains.
- coryrc 4y ago
  The FDA.
- xyzzyz 4y ago
  The OP’s point is that in US (and also almost certainly in Netherlands), you’re not getting the omicron booster, you’re getting original Covid strain booster.
- namlem 4y ago
  It hasn't been approved, no one is making it.
  - ugjka 4y ago
    Moderna has a candidate that'll probably land on the market sometime around september
    - Tostino 4y ago
      Which is a pathetic turnaround for what was supposed to be a technology quick to iterate with. I'd love to know where the holdup actually is.
      - namlem 4y ago
        The hold up is with the FDA. The variant booster had been ready for months, it just takes a long time to approve.
mherdeg 4y ago
I am fairly grumpy that we didn't get the Moderna SARS-CoV-2 vaccine for 2-5yos months ago. Waiting for Pfizer's data was such a strange policy choice. There may be something going on under the hood here I don't understand, but the behavior of VRBPAC has felt very strange to me.
- bananapear 4y ago
  Are you not concerned that a lot of European countries stopped giving that one to people under 30 for safety reasons? (https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2477 https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2477)
  - whizzter 4y ago
    If you look at the FDA press release it does seem like they seem to have mostly narrowed down the at-risk groups since, I guess they might've also tweaked dosages at this point. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccines-children https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
  - vkou 4y ago
    The risk was very minor, and was in hindsight not worth waiting for. But now that the data is in, though, when your option is two vaccines, one with very minor risk, and one with even less risk, and they are both equally effective, it's obvious that you should prefer the latter.
- whizzter 4y ago
  Not entirely sure about what this refers to, but.. 1: The Moderna vaccine is separate from Pfizer/Biontech even if they share technological base. 2: Moderna was discontinued for younger people (below 30yos) in at least some European countries due to slightly higher risk of myocarditis (even if the Pfizer vaccine had slightly lower efficiancy). Seems like both vaccines are allowed for smaller children in the US now. Over here they put the cutoff for the vaccine at 12-13yos iirc (my older kid got it but not my younger one).
vkou 4y ago
It's only been two and a half years, we're still very early in this pandemic. I'm sure that a few more years, maybe a decade, when everyone who understands vaccines are confident that the entire category of COVID vaccines is safe and effective, we'll have a flu-like assembly line producing new vaccines for the deluge of new variants we'll be facing.

If rational minds were allowed to prevail at the FDA, we would have had an Omicron booster months ago.

by namlem 4y ago

If rational minds were allowed to prevail at the FDA, we would have had an Omicron booster months ago.

Who is stopping you getting an omicron booster? (I'm not aware of the current situation in the US btw, just know that it's perfectly possible to get a booster in the NL)

mikeyouse 4y ago
OP is more interested in the reformulated vaccines from Pfizer/Moderna more specifically tailored to the Omicron variants rather than another shot with the original formulation which has showed waning efficacy against the newest strains.
coryrc 4y ago
The FDA.
xyzzyz 4y ago
The OP’s point is that in US (and also almost certainly in Netherlands), you’re not getting the omicron booster, you’re getting original Covid strain booster.
namlem 4y ago
It hasn't been approved, no one is making it.
- ugjka 4y ago
  Moderna has a candidate that'll probably land on the market sometime around september
  - Tostino 4y ago
    Which is a pathetic turnaround for what was supposed to be a technology quick to iterate with. I'd love to know where the holdup actually is.
    - namlem 4y ago
      The hold up is with the FDA. The variant booster had been ready for months, it just takes a long time to approve.

mherdeg 4y ago

I am fairly grumpy that we didn't get the Moderna SARS-CoV-2 vaccine for 2-5yos months ago. Waiting for Pfizer's data was such a strange policy choice. There may be something going on under the hood here I don't understand, but the behavior of VRBPAC has felt very strange to me.

bananapear 4y ago
Are you not concerned that a lot of European countries stopped giving that one to people under 30 for safety reasons? (https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2477 https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2477)
- whizzter 4y ago
  If you look at the FDA press release it does seem like they seem to have mostly narrowed down the at-risk groups since, I guess they might've also tweaked dosages at this point. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccines-children https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
- vkou 4y ago
  The risk was very minor, and was in hindsight not worth waiting for. But now that the data is in, though, when your option is two vaccines, one with very minor risk, and one with even less risk, and they are both equally effective, it's obvious that you should prefer the latter.
whizzter 4y ago
Not entirely sure about what this refers to, but.. 1: The Moderna vaccine is separate from Pfizer/Biontech even if they share technological base. 2: Moderna was discontinued for younger people (below 30yos) in at least some European countries due to slightly higher risk of myocarditis (even if the Pfizer vaccine had slightly lower efficiancy). Seems like both vaccines are allowed for smaller children in the US now. Over here they put the cutoff for the vaccine at 12-13yos iirc (my older kid got it but not my younger one).

vkou 4y ago

It's only been two and a half years, we're still very early in this pandemic. I'm sure that a few more years, maybe a decade, when everyone who understands vaccines are confident that the entire category of COVID vaccines is safe and effective, we'll have a flu-like assembly line producing new vaccines for the deluge of new variants we'll be facing.