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It was enacted in 1994. There wasn’t a mass shooting epidemic before 1994, either. Also, the police are not outgunned (see Boulder). The police response in Uva

It was enacted in 1994. There wasn’t a mass shooting epidemic before 1994, either. Also, the police are not outgunned (see Boulder). The police response in Uvalde was an incredible leadership failure and nothing else. > No one needs a long-gun for self defense, its too awkward to carry around. (1) The second amendment is not restricted to defense. (2) For just one example, ranchers rely on long guns to defend their livestock from wildlife, dogs, etc. > The only people using semiautomatic or automatic long guns are mass shooters. I’m a mass shooter? You are demonstrating a fantastic ignorance of the subject at hand and ought to recuse yourself from this debate until you’ve rectified that.

dragontamer 4y ago
> There wasn’t a mass shooting epidemic before 1994 Erm... the 1980s? You know, the time period that led to the 1994 ban on guns? Absolutely huge spike in gun violence and homicides. > You are demonstrating a fantastic ignorance and ought to recuse yourself from this debate until you’ve rectified that. There's no point in you having such a weapon. And yes, I'm willing to call you ignorant and backwards for arming yourself with such a powerful weapon. You ain't gonna be walking around town with a long gun. Your only hope for self defense in a typical "on the town" situation is a pistol / side arm. If a mass shooting occurs, you aren't going to run to your car and get the long gun. Why? Because you know just as well as I do that everyone else will shoot the first person they see with a long gun. (See Las Vegas shooting: everyone had guns, no one wanted to take it out because they didn't want to get confused as the mass shooter).
- laverya 4y ago
  > Erm... the 1980s? You know, the time period that led to the 1994 ban on guns? Absolutely huge spike in gun violence and homicides. There is a major difference between "Gun violence and homicides" and "mass shootings", since mass shootings are ~1% of gun homicides, and gun homicides are ~1/3rd of gun violence. (2/3rds are suicide)
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    You have to account for the internet and public study of these events. Mass shooters are studying previous mass shootings, and using their techniques to become more-and-more deadly. Body armor, weapon usage, tactics, state of mind, training. Its very easy today to look up Columbine and study up to become a mass shooter today. That's just the facts. In contrast, we have no ability to study up on how to defend from mass shootings. Its asymmetric warfare. ---------- There is a pattern. The AR15 platform (and closely related clones) are favored today, for good reason. Uvalde, Stoneman Douglas High School, Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs, Pulse nightclub, San Bernardino, Sandy Hook.
dragontamer 4y ago
You edited this in later, so I'll respond with a 2nd post. > (2) For just one example, ranchers rely on long guns to defend their livestock from wildlife, dogs, etc. And do you need 30 round magazines in those guns for such defense? Do they need to be fully automatic, or with 3-round-burst firing? The issue, is that we in the USA cannot stop these kinds of massacres: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massac... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting This problem has been going on forever. And no one seems to want to even try to stop it. So fine. Lets not try to stop the mass shootings. Lets just mitigate their damage by reducing the kinds of weapons that are in play.

dragontamer 4y ago

> There wasn’t a mass shooting epidemic before 1994 Erm... the 1980s? You know, the time period that led to the 1994 ban on guns? Absolutely huge spike in gun violence and homicides. > You are demonstrating a fantastic ignorance and ought to recuse yourself from this debate until you’ve rectified that. There's no point in you having such a weapon. And yes, I'm willing to call you ignorant and backwards for arming yourself with such a powerful weapon. You ain't gonna be walking around town with a long gun. Your only hope for self defense in a typical "on the town" situation is a pistol / side arm. If a mass shooting occurs, you aren't going to run to your car and get the long gun. Why? Because you know just as well as I do that everyone else will shoot the first person they see with a long gun. (See Las Vegas shooting: everyone had guns, no one wanted to take it out because they didn't want to get confused as the mass shooter).

laverya 4y ago
> Erm... the 1980s? You know, the time period that led to the 1994 ban on guns? Absolutely huge spike in gun violence and homicides. There is a major difference between "Gun violence and homicides" and "mass shootings", since mass shootings are ~1% of gun homicides, and gun homicides are ~1/3rd of gun violence. (2/3rds are suicide)
- dragontamer 4y ago
  You have to account for the internet and public study of these events. Mass shooters are studying previous mass shootings, and using their techniques to become more-and-more deadly. Body armor, weapon usage, tactics, state of mind, training. Its very easy today to look up Columbine and study up to become a mass shooter today. That's just the facts. In contrast, we have no ability to study up on how to defend from mass shootings. Its asymmetric warfare. ---------- There is a pattern. The AR15 platform (and closely related clones) are favored today, for good reason. Uvalde, Stoneman Douglas High School, Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs, Pulse nightclub, San Bernardino, Sandy Hook.

dragontamer 4y ago

You edited this in later, so I'll respond with a 2nd post. > (2) For just one example, ranchers rely on long guns to defend their livestock from wildlife, dogs, etc. And do you need 30 round magazines in those guns for such defense? Do they need to be fully automatic, or with 3-round-burst firing? The issue, is that we in the USA cannot stop these kinds of massacres: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massac... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting This problem has been going on forever. And no one seems to want to even try to stop it. So fine. Lets not try to stop the mass shootings. Lets just mitigate their damage by reducing the kinds of weapons that are in play.