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Image you're desperate to feel special. You want to be famous but every crazy thing you've done has gotten no attention. And then you see a mass murderer's face

by 300bps 4y ago

Image you're desperate to feel special. You want to be famous but every crazy thing you've done has gotten no attention. And then you see a mass murderer's face plastered everywhere. Links to their rap songs. Long new stories about their lives. There are several campaigns that argue that this is what is causing the proliferation of mass murders. https://www.dontnamethem.org/ https://www.dontnamethem.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting_contagion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting_contagion

wahnfrieden 4y ago
exposure may be a factor but you're willfully ignoring rampant far-right online radicalization
- seanw444 4y ago
  Jesus. The radicalization is happening everywhere. Cut that out.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    - seanw444 4y ago
      You absolutely obliterated me. Congrats.
  - krapp 4y ago
    But only one side's radicals keeps going on shooting sprees.
    - pandaman 4y ago
      - krapp 4y ago
        You found one. Now find a few hundred more and you'll have an actual counterpoint. Left wing violence in the US is an anomaly. Right wing violence is normalized.
        pandaman 4y ago
        Counterpoint to what? You claimed one political side does the shootings, I just verified if you are aware which side. If you have shown hundreds of right wing political activists shooting the Democrat politicians then your request might have made some sense. Other than OK bombing I've not heard of right wing political terror, all famous terrorists are leftists. PS. Well, remembered another one, Ted "UNA Bomber" Kaczynski. That's two (if we count McVeigh right wing from being religious and pro-gun) against entire organizations and individuals on the left. From Angela Davis to the dude caught couple of weeks ago while trying to assassinate a Justice, from the M19CO to the Weather Underground.
        krapp 4y ago
        An incomplete list of still more than two: April 19, 1995 - Oklahoma City Bombing July 27, 1996 - Olympic Centennial Park Bombing August 10, 1999 - Los Angeles Jewish Community Center Shooting April 28, 2000 - Pittsburgh Shootings September, 2001 - Dallas shootings November 1, 2003 - LA Airport Shooting July 27, 2008 - Knoxville Church Shooting May 31, 2009 - murder of George Tiller June 10, 2009 - US Holocaust Memorial Museum Shooting May 20, 2010 - West Memphis Police Shootings January 8, 2011 - Tuscon Shooting January 17, 2011 - Spokane Bombing Attempt August 5, 2012 - Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting November 1 2013 - LA International Airport Shooting April 13 2014 - Overland Park Jewish Community Center Shooting June 8, 2014 - Las Vegas Shootings June 17, 2015 - Charleston Church Shooting November 27, 2015 - Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting June 29, 2016 - Mineappolis Shooting July 22, 2016 - Comet Ping Pong Shooting May 26, 2017 - Portland Train Attack August 5, 2017 - Bloomington Mosque Bombing August 12, 2017 - Charlottesville Attack December 7, 2017 - Aztec High School Shooting October 22 - November 1, 2018 - US Mail Bombing Attempts October 24, 2018 - Jeffersontown Shooting October 27, 2018 - Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting March,April 2019 - Louisiana Black Church Fires April 27, 2019 - Poway Synagogue Shooting (inspired by Christchurch) June 17, 2019 - Dallas Courthouse Shooting August 3, 2019 - El Paso Shooting January 6, 2021 - US Capitol Riot May 14 2022 - Buffalo Shooting Also, excerpted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States A 2017 report by The Nation Institute and the Center for Investigative Reporting analyzed a list of the terrorist incidents which occurred in the US between 2008 and 2016.[0] It found:[1] 115 Far right inspired terrorist incidents. 35% of these incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 29% of them resulted in fatalities. These incidents caused 79 deaths. (...) 19 Far left inspired terrorist incidents. 20% of these terrorist incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 10% of them resulted in fatalities. Two of these incidents were described as "plausibly" attributed to a perpetrator with left-wing sympathies and caused 7 deaths. These are not included in the official government database.[2] [0] http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacists-islamist-extremists_us_594c46e4e4b0da2c731a84df [1] http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigation/2017/06/22/home-hate/ [2] https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  Do you have evidence that "far-right radicalization" has led to a significant increase in mass shootings? From what I can tell most recentass shootings don't seem to involve much of any coherent political agenda (incoherent ramblings attributable mostly to mental illness excepted)
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    what's your source on that??????
    - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
      You made the initial claim. Georgelemental asked you for evidence. The burden of proof is on you, the maker of the initial claim. And, Georgelemental clearly labeled what he said as his "perception". It seems a bit unreasonable to ask for a source for something as weak as a perception. (And, adding more question marks doesn't make it any more reasonable.)
      - wahnfrieden 4y ago
        thx
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      Is the desktop version of that as bad as the mobile one? Looks interesting but I'm not going to bother trying to read it in that condition.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Agreed. This kind of violence is on the rise because fascism, a right-wing authoritarian ideology that encourages the use of violence for political means, is on the rise. It has already all but devoured the republican party, which already increasingly refuses to recognize the legitimacy of any democratic or legal process that doesn't favor them.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    [flagged]
- usrn 4y ago
  Have you read any of the mass shooter manifestos? I haven't seen any that are far right. The closest was the buffalo shooter's but his also had a lot of far left ideas in it and anyone who's truly part of the Right knows that just going after random Black people is a waste of time given the homicide statistics among them. He really did seem to be maximizing attention more than anything else. This last guy they made a big deal about was literally a jew (mother was a jew, he attended a synagogue etc) by the way. They say Hitler was a jew so I guess that's how you can tell the real Nazis apart from normal homophobes. /s
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
I don't buy it. I mean, it almost certainly isn't helping, but I don't think it is causing people to want to lash out like this.
ajross 4y ago
It's funny how everyone has their own take on what the "real" problem is that seems to absolve their own "side" of any responsibility. And, I'll grant that this is a real issue and that there's too much media coverage of these things, focusing too much on the personalities of the criminals. But that said... Mass murderers have been famous throughout history (by at least one reasonable definition, most of "history" is defined as a list of who killed who). But in 1962 the most effective weapon you could find to perform one was a bolt action hunting rifle, breech loading shotgun, or plausibly a six-shot revolver that took 90+ seconds to reload. Now you run to the corner store and get equipment that can deliver a hundred rounds in a minute. Arguing that this simple issue of equipment technology and availability is not at least part of the problem seems ridiculous on its face.
- teakettle42 4y ago
  You could legally own a machine gun in 1962. Plenty of options were available, including the AR-15 — with full auto, which is no longer available today. Here’s a 1964 ad for a commercial AR-15 model: https://www.ebay.com/itm/403353839122 https://www.ebay.com/itm/403353839122 Also, a six shot revolver can be reloaded in seconds using a speed loader; basically, a piece of plastic that holds six rounds of ammunition in the right position to drop directly into the cylinder. Police officers commonly carried them.
- closewith 4y ago
  I believe in stricter gun control, but the US was awash with civilian M1s in 1960s. The civilian marksmanship program gave them out for peanuts.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > I believe in stricter gun control, but the US was awash with civilian M1s in 1960s. The civilian marksmanship program gave them out for peanuts. Specifically, M-1 Carbines, which are all gone now from that program. My understanding is they're the easy-to-shoot, high-capacity magazine-fed predecessor to the AR-15.
moolcool 4y ago
Every developed country in the world has access to mass media built in the image of the American networks (not to mention the American networks themselves). Mass shootings don't happen very often in any of those places though. Just America. It's the guns.
- lelandfe 4y ago
  https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-sh... Sort of says it all, really.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    The guns are obviously a huge part of it, but there are enough data points within the US and when compared to other countries with high gun ownership (Switzerland being the favourite example of the gun lobby) that it's clearly not just the guns. Even if the US didn't have a problem with mass shootings it would still appear to the rest of the developed world as a country with major issues that don't typically occur elsewhere (Trump, covid, supreme court rulings etc. etc.). But the guns is probably the easiest problem to solve physically, even if it's politically impossible.
- jhanschoo 4y ago
  On the other hand, potential shooters in other nations cannot count on US media or there domestic media to report on their potential shooting the was US media does in the US.

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wahnfrieden 4y ago

exposure may be a factor but you're willfully ignoring rampant far-right online radicalization

seanw444 4y ago
Jesus. The radicalization is happening everywhere. Cut that out.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  - seanw444 4y ago
    You absolutely obliterated me. Congrats.
- krapp 4y ago
  But only one side's radicals keeps going on shooting sprees.
  - pandaman 4y ago
    - krapp 4y ago
      You found one. Now find a few hundred more and you'll have an actual counterpoint. Left wing violence in the US is an anomaly. Right wing violence is normalized.
      - pandaman 4y ago
        Counterpoint to what? You claimed one political side does the shootings, I just verified if you are aware which side. If you have shown hundreds of right wing political activists shooting the Democrat politicians then your request might have made some sense. Other than OK bombing I've not heard of right wing political terror, all famous terrorists are leftists. PS. Well, remembered another one, Ted "UNA Bomber" Kaczynski. That's two (if we count McVeigh right wing from being religious and pro-gun) against entire organizations and individuals on the left. From Angela Davis to the dude caught couple of weeks ago while trying to assassinate a Justice, from the M19CO to the Weather Underground.
        krapp 4y ago
        An incomplete list of still more than two: April 19, 1995 - Oklahoma City Bombing July 27, 1996 - Olympic Centennial Park Bombing August 10, 1999 - Los Angeles Jewish Community Center Shooting April 28, 2000 - Pittsburgh Shootings September, 2001 - Dallas shootings November 1, 2003 - LA Airport Shooting July 27, 2008 - Knoxville Church Shooting May 31, 2009 - murder of George Tiller June 10, 2009 - US Holocaust Memorial Museum Shooting May 20, 2010 - West Memphis Police Shootings January 8, 2011 - Tuscon Shooting January 17, 2011 - Spokane Bombing Attempt August 5, 2012 - Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting November 1 2013 - LA International Airport Shooting April 13 2014 - Overland Park Jewish Community Center Shooting June 8, 2014 - Las Vegas Shootings June 17, 2015 - Charleston Church Shooting November 27, 2015 - Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting June 29, 2016 - Mineappolis Shooting July 22, 2016 - Comet Ping Pong Shooting May 26, 2017 - Portland Train Attack August 5, 2017 - Bloomington Mosque Bombing August 12, 2017 - Charlottesville Attack December 7, 2017 - Aztec High School Shooting October 22 - November 1, 2018 - US Mail Bombing Attempts October 24, 2018 - Jeffersontown Shooting October 27, 2018 - Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting March,April 2019 - Louisiana Black Church Fires April 27, 2019 - Poway Synagogue Shooting (inspired by Christchurch) June 17, 2019 - Dallas Courthouse Shooting August 3, 2019 - El Paso Shooting January 6, 2021 - US Capitol Riot May 14 2022 - Buffalo Shooting Also, excerpted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States A 2017 report by The Nation Institute and the Center for Investigative Reporting analyzed a list of the terrorist incidents which occurred in the US between 2008 and 2016.[0] It found:[1] 115 Far right inspired terrorist incidents. 35% of these incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 29% of them resulted in fatalities. These incidents caused 79 deaths. (...) 19 Far left inspired terrorist incidents. 20% of these terrorist incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 10% of them resulted in fatalities. Two of these incidents were described as "plausibly" attributed to a perpetrator with left-wing sympathies and caused 7 deaths. These are not included in the official government database.[2] [0] http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacists-islamist-extremists_us_594c46e4e4b0da2c731a84df [1] http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigation/2017/06/22/home-hate/ [2] https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
Georgelemental 4y ago
Do you have evidence that "far-right radicalization" has led to a significant increase in mass shootings? From what I can tell most recentass shootings don't seem to involve much of any coherent political agenda (incoherent ramblings attributable mostly to mental illness excepted)
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  what's your source on that??????
  - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
    You made the initial claim. Georgelemental asked you for evidence. The burden of proof is on you, the maker of the initial claim. And, Georgelemental clearly labeled what he said as his "perception". It seems a bit unreasonable to ask for a source for something as weak as a perception. (And, adding more question marks doesn't make it any more reasonable.)
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      thx
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    Is the desktop version of that as bad as the mobile one? Looks interesting but I'm not going to bother trying to read it in that condition.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Agreed. This kind of violence is on the rise because fascism, a right-wing authoritarian ideology that encourages the use of violence for political means, is on the rise. It has already all but devoured the republican party, which already increasingly refuses to recognize the legitimacy of any democratic or legal process that doesn't favor them.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  [flagged]
usrn 4y ago
Have you read any of the mass shooter manifestos? I haven't seen any that are far right. The closest was the buffalo shooter's but his also had a lot of far left ideas in it and anyone who's truly part of the Right knows that just going after random Black people is a waste of time given the homicide statistics among them. He really did seem to be maximizing attention more than anything else. This last guy they made a big deal about was literally a jew (mother was a jew, he attended a synagogue etc) by the way. They say Hitler was a jew so I guess that's how you can tell the real Nazis apart from normal homophobes. /s

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

I don't buy it. I mean, it almost certainly isn't helping, but I don't think it is causing people to want to lash out like this.

ajross 4y ago

It's funny how everyone has their own take on what the "real" problem is that seems to absolve their own "side" of any responsibility. And, I'll grant that this is a real issue and that there's too much media coverage of these things, focusing too much on the personalities of the criminals. But that said... Mass murderers have been famous throughout history (by at least one reasonable definition, most of "history" is defined as a list of who killed who). But in 1962 the most effective weapon you could find to perform one was a bolt action hunting rifle, breech loading shotgun, or plausibly a six-shot revolver that took 90+ seconds to reload. Now you run to the corner store and get equipment that can deliver a hundred rounds in a minute. Arguing that this simple issue of equipment technology and availability is not at least part of the problem seems ridiculous on its face.

teakettle42 4y ago
You could legally own a machine gun in 1962. Plenty of options were available, including the AR-15 — with full auto, which is no longer available today. Here’s a 1964 ad for a commercial AR-15 model: https://www.ebay.com/itm/403353839122 https://www.ebay.com/itm/403353839122 Also, a six shot revolver can be reloaded in seconds using a speed loader; basically, a piece of plastic that holds six rounds of ammunition in the right position to drop directly into the cylinder. Police officers commonly carried them.
closewith 4y ago
I believe in stricter gun control, but the US was awash with civilian M1s in 1960s. The civilian marksmanship program gave them out for peanuts.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > I believe in stricter gun control, but the US was awash with civilian M1s in 1960s. The civilian marksmanship program gave them out for peanuts. Specifically, M-1 Carbines, which are all gone now from that program. My understanding is they're the easy-to-shoot, high-capacity magazine-fed predecessor to the AR-15.

moolcool 4y ago

Every developed country in the world has access to mass media built in the image of the American networks (not to mention the American networks themselves). Mass shootings don't happen very often in any of those places though. Just America. It's the guns.

lelandfe 4y ago
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-sh... Sort of says it all, really.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  The guns are obviously a huge part of it, but there are enough data points within the US and when compared to other countries with high gun ownership (Switzerland being the favourite example of the gun lobby) that it's clearly not just the guns. Even if the US didn't have a problem with mass shootings it would still appear to the rest of the developed world as a country with major issues that don't typically occur elsewhere (Trump, covid, supreme court rulings etc. etc.). But the guns is probably the easiest problem to solve physically, even if it's politically impossible.
jhanschoo 4y ago
On the other hand, potential shooters in other nations cannot count on US media or there domestic media to report on their potential shooting the was US media does in the US.