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This is the unfortunate reality of India; the government/police don't need to actually go to court. It can harass companies and executives by simply threatening

by flak48 4y ago

This is the unfortunate reality of India; the government/police don't need to actually go to court. It can harass companies and executives by simply threatening to / actually carrying out unnecessary 'raids' through the tax department. The usual process is for the a bunch of policemen and beareaucrats to just show up unannounced; seal the office so that no one can enter or leave, and seize computers / phones, files and demand random stuff like invoices for $10 purchases from three years ago and so on. This can happen regularly until all business basically comes to a halt (unless the company complies with whatever the government wants). [1] The next step is to threaten arrests and actually carry out some arrests on trumped up charge, and you can wait forever until trial (unless you comply with what the government wants). The trials usually result in acquittal after several years but the process is the punishment. The media in the meanwhile is happy to go along with the official version (that the company is question is allegedly employing shady accounting practices). The next stage is painting the company as 'anti national', arrange for a few mobs to harrass folks / attempt lynchings and finally actually 'dissappear'/kill people (this last step is usually reserved for judges/writers etc since others usually comply before this step) [1]: https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/10/02/indias-government-is-using-the-taxman-against-its-opponents https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/10/02/indias-government-...

worker_person 4y ago
- mellavora 4y ago
  How is this working against civil forfeiture? How is this working against the % of the population incarcerated? disclaimer: gun owner and competitive sport shooter.
  - samstave 4y ago
    Personally, am convinced that the second amendment was co-opted to be a wedge-issue in that ; it actively separates groups, fills the media with plenty of wedge-based fluff while allowing them to skirt around the deeper truths etc. My grandpa always used to say: >>I will never say "I am a gun owner" <-- Something gun owners should never say (see the 2nd amendment, as, when the 2nd amendment is repealed guess who they have a list of -- Personally EVERYONE should know how to properly handle a gun. ESPECIALLY if you "hate guns" <-- If you hate guns, then you best be sure to know how to ensure (I love etymology; ensure - the act of being sure, proficient, con-fident (vouching for the fidelity|truth)) they are unloaded, safe, or disabled/locked/safe/well-kept/not around fucking kids on SSRIs. /rant.
    - mellavora 4y ago
      Your grandpa has more wisdom than I do. And yes, the 2nd was certainly co-opted. It is how politics is played; there is a very long list of co-opted issues which were not divisive before they became useful for politics.
- the_biot 4y ago
  That sure is a lot of nonsense. What we see in the US is the government, in the form of the police, abuses the people plenty. That's why there's so much protest when they actually kill people. And are people arming themselves more to protect themselves from the police? No.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    More importantly, the second amendment will not protect you from police. Many legally carrying innocent people have been shot and killed by the police, and there are very few cases of people defending themselves from a police officer and not going to jail
    - deleted 4y ago
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fouric 4y ago
Interestingly enough, if all of the above is true, then one can imagine that this very HN submission might be the work of a member of the Indian government/police wanting to increase pressure on Razorpay by applying negative PR to the company. Post-truth world is not pretty.
- flak48 4y ago
  There's another comment providing more context; Razorpay is facing flak from some folks because it gave up transaction/donor data for a journalist's company. (Razorpay is the payment provider for the journalist's company AltNews) The India government is actually trying their best to persecute the journalist (Mohd. Zubair) and putting pressure on Razorpay to get to AltNews/Zubair. (The govt. is trying to insinuate that the journalist is writing articles criticizing India on the behest of foreigners - by cooking up allegations that he has been receiving donations from people outside India) I'm only arguing that it's next to impossible to stand up to the government in India; Razorpay need not be pro-government or anti Alt news, they are likely being forced to comply with the Government's (perhaps extra legal) demands via shady tactics and they need to save their own skin.
  - slake 4y ago
    Umm. Only it's not an allegation anymore. The 'journalist' in question already admitted to receiving foreign donations without having the necessary compliance registrations in place. This is also leaving out the part that this 'journalist' doctored a video about a person and posted it that is causing islamists to give the person beheading threats. 2 people who supported her have already been beheaded. This 'journalist' also has several allegations of fake news of his own. So it's not so black and white.
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      did they fill out their 27B-6 forms for the donations? as for the allegations, I have not seen anything about the video encouraging killing, but have seen lots of coverage of the Indian government looking away from, or participating in, threats and actual violence against non-Hindi Indian citizens

by flak48 4y ago

worker_person 4y ago

mellavora 4y ago
How is this working against civil forfeiture? How is this working against the % of the population incarcerated? disclaimer: gun owner and competitive sport shooter.
- samstave 4y ago
  Personally, am convinced that the second amendment was co-opted to be a wedge-issue in that ; it actively separates groups, fills the media with plenty of wedge-based fluff while allowing them to skirt around the deeper truths etc. My grandpa always used to say: >>I will never say "I am a gun owner" <-- Something gun owners should never say (see the 2nd amendment, as, when the 2nd amendment is repealed guess who they have a list of -- Personally EVERYONE should know how to properly handle a gun. ESPECIALLY if you "hate guns" <-- If you hate guns, then you best be sure to know how to ensure (I love etymology; ensure - the act of being sure, proficient, con-fident (vouching for the fidelity|truth)) they are unloaded, safe, or disabled/locked/safe/well-kept/not around fucking kids on SSRIs. /rant.
  - mellavora 4y ago
    Your grandpa has more wisdom than I do. And yes, the 2nd was certainly co-opted. It is how politics is played; there is a very long list of co-opted issues which were not divisive before they became useful for politics.
the_biot 4y ago
That sure is a lot of nonsense. What we see in the US is the government, in the form of the police, abuses the people plenty. That's why there's so much protest when they actually kill people. And are people arming themselves more to protect themselves from the police? No.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  More importantly, the second amendment will not protect you from police. Many legally carrying innocent people have been shot and killed by the police, and there are very few cases of people defending themselves from a police officer and not going to jail
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]

fouric 4y ago

Interestingly enough, if all of the above is true, then one can imagine that this very HN submission might be the work of a member of the Indian government/police wanting to increase pressure on Razorpay by applying negative PR to the company. Post-truth world is not pretty.

flak48 4y ago
There's another comment providing more context; Razorpay is facing flak from some folks because it gave up transaction/donor data for a journalist's company. (Razorpay is the payment provider for the journalist's company AltNews) The India government is actually trying their best to persecute the journalist (Mohd. Zubair) and putting pressure on Razorpay to get to AltNews/Zubair. (The govt. is trying to insinuate that the journalist is writing articles criticizing India on the behest of foreigners - by cooking up allegations that he has been receiving donations from people outside India) I'm only arguing that it's next to impossible to stand up to the government in India; Razorpay need not be pro-government or anti Alt news, they are likely being forced to comply with the Government's (perhaps extra legal) demands via shady tactics and they need to save their own skin.
- slake 4y ago
  Umm. Only it's not an allegation anymore. The 'journalist' in question already admitted to receiving foreign donations without having the necessary compliance registrations in place. This is also leaving out the part that this 'journalist' doctored a video about a person and posted it that is causing islamists to give the person beheading threats. 2 people who supported her have already been beheaded. This 'journalist' also has several allegations of fake news of his own. So it's not so black and white.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    did they fill out their 27B-6 forms for the donations? as for the allegations, I have not seen anything about the video encouraging killing, but have seen lots of coverage of the Indian government looking away from, or participating in, threats and actual violence against non-Hindi Indian citizens