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Here's what happened: - Nupur Sharma, spokesperson of the governing party (BJP) mocks Prophet Mohammed on National TV saying that he had sex with a 9 year old.

by jeswin 4y ago

Here's what happened: - Nupur Sharma, spokesperson of the governing party (BJP) mocks Prophet Mohammed on National TV saying that he had sex with a 9 year old. She then justifies it saying she was quoting the Hadith (Islamic religious texts). - ZooBear on Twitter brings attention to the issue, via his channel AltNews - India gets international condemnation, Gulf countries are pissed - India apologizes to various Gulf countries and calls Nupur Sharma a "fringe element" - Muslims in India are still very, very angry. There are widespread calls to behead Nupur Sharma. - Two people get murdered (one beheaded and the video streamed) for supporting Nupur Sharma on Social Media - Now it's Hindus' turn to be pissed; they want ZooBear arrested (using whatever laws they can find) - They dig up ZooBear's own old social media posts, file cases against him using blasphemy laws, and he gets arrested - The govt is pissed too; so they try to lock ZooBear up under various laws, such as laws pertaining to how international donations need to be accounted - The police ask RazorPay to hand over a list of people who have donated to AltNews, under Section 91 of the Code Of Criminal Procedure - They comply.

Clubber 4y ago
Whenever I think US politics have gone off the rails, it's perhaps comforting to see other countries are way worse.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Except this kind of system (significant nepotism, open corruption, a government that people mostly don't have faith in, strongly charged with religious fervor and rhetoric) Is pretty much exactly what the more aggressive parts of the American Right are literally trying to make happen. Oh, and they are succeeding spectacularly.
throwaway_1928 4y ago
Not entirely true. - TV debates in India are charged and partisan. - Nupur Sharma was debating a man named Tasneem Rehmani. - Tasleem Rehmani said something denigrating towards a Hindu God (which is normal and typically goes unpunished and even unnoticed in India). - Nupur Sharma countered him by saying "Do not mock my religion. Do you want me to start talking about flying horses or the fact that your Prophet married a girl at age 6 and consummated the marriage at age 9?" - Various Islamic scholars have themselves said exactly what Nupur Sharma said. She was merely quoting their own texts in a debate. - Debate goes on and ends. Nothing happens for days. - Self-proclaimed 'fact checker' (not a journalist, according to himself) Mohammed Zubair edits this debate clip, removes the provocation by Tasneem Rehmani, only showing Nupur Sharma 'insulting' this religious Prophet. - Zubair then distributes this clip across social media and various Islamic Whatsapp groups. - In India, free speech is not absolute. Saying and doing things to create enmity between religious groups is a crime. - The fact that what Nupur Sharma says is factual and simply a response to what Tasneem Rehmani said, becomes irrelevant. - Many Muslims in India, millions of whom study in Islamic seminaries (madrasas), are whipped into a frenzy and behead multiple people with the slogan 'Sar Tan Se Juda' (meaning they will separate heads from bodies, in the ISIS style). - Police and agencies arrest this 'fact checker' Zubair and are looking into his funding. This is where the RazorPay data comes in. - Prior to his arrest, he deletes several of his social media posts and tweets mocking Hindu Gods. - Various organizations like the BBC, New York Times, Al Jazeera as well as India's left leaning publications decry Zubair's arrest as an 'attack on democracy'.
- unmole 4y ago
  > Islamic Whatsapp groups. > Prior to his arrest, he deletes several of his social media posts and tweets mocking Hindu Gods. You're literally peddling IT cell propaganda.
  - alex_smart 4y ago
    https://socialblade.com/twitter/user/zoo_bear https://socialblade.com/twitter/user/zoo_bear This website shows 99 deleted tweets between 26th and 27th June.
- MrBlueIncognito 4y ago
  TL;DR two extremists make offensive statements on television, journalist tweeting a segment from it to bring it to public attention gets arrested. You may argue that Mohammed Zubair is somehow an evil cynical person who wants to watch the world burn, but the fact is that tweeting a segment from national television is not a criminal offence and should not be treated as such. > which is normal and typically goes unpunished and even unnoticed in India. Kudos for living in an alternate dimension!
  - boruto 4y ago
    Well he was not arrested for it. If he had stuck to doing what he did I guess no one would go after him. He had caused diplomatic issues and bayed for nupurs head. It would do well to remember what a minority ABV gov did to tehelka and promotors. Guess that is what Modi gov is trying here.
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      Nupur caused the diplomatic issues with her comments, as the counterparty countries with the actual issues clearly articulated to both India and the world, in response to said comments.
- rootkea 4y ago
  > Tasleem Rehmani said something denigrating towards a Hindu God I watched that entire debate and he didn't say anything degrading towards Hindu Gods. Here's the context- Hindu RW claimed a fountain in Gyanvapi mosque (situated in Kashi) as Shivalinga (God Shiva's phallus)[0] which is a part of larger campaign of claiming Muslims mosques as Hindu temples by RSS/BJP. Started with demolition of Babri mosque (situated in Ayodhya) in 1992.[1] The war-cry of the time was "Ayodhya to zaki hai. Kashi Mathura baki hai" (Ayodhya is just a trailer. Kashi and Mathura are remaining) Many Indians (majorly we secular Hindus) made fun of communal Hindus for claiming anything shaped like a phallus to be a "Shivalinga". I myself shared how in 1990s Hindus in San Fransisco started worshiping traffic barricade as "Shivalinga".[2] [0] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/hindu-group-recognises-shivling-in-gyanvapi-mosque-begins-performing-rituals-in-lucknow/article65491980.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/hindu-group-recognise... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_the_Babri_Masjid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_the_Babri_Masjid [2] https://www.freepressjournal.in/viral/san-francisco-people-worship-traffic-barricade-as-shivling-in-1990s https://www.freepressjournal.in/viral/san-francisco-people-w...
arcticfox 4y ago
Holy cow. Thanks for the context. > - Two people get murdered (one beheaded and the video streamed) for supporting Nupur Sharma on Social Media JFC, humans suck. Also interesting after looking into it is that ZooBear has tweet after tweet mocking Hinduism, yet takes extreme offense at someone mocking Islam and seems to consider it hate speech.
- rootkea 4y ago
  > ZooBear has tweet after tweet mocking Hinduism Absolutely false. Can you share one?
  - snambi 4y ago
    There were plenty. But I think they were deleted now.
    - throwaway_1928 4y ago
      Here are some of them: https://www.opindia.com/2022/06/netizens-dig-up-old-posts-altnews-mohammed-zubair-mocking-hindu-gods-hinduism/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/06/netizens-dig-up-old-posts-al... https://www.opindia.com/2022/06/alt-news-mohammed-zubair-deletes-his-facebook-account-after-his-hinduphobic-posts-go-viral/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/06/alt-news-mohammed-zubair-del...

by jeswin 4y ago

Clubber 4y ago

Whenever I think US politics have gone off the rails, it's perhaps comforting to see other countries are way worse.

mrguyorama 4y ago
Except this kind of system (significant nepotism, open corruption, a government that people mostly don't have faith in, strongly charged with religious fervor and rhetoric) Is pretty much exactly what the more aggressive parts of the American Right are literally trying to make happen. Oh, and they are succeeding spectacularly.

throwaway_1928 4y ago

Not entirely true. - TV debates in India are charged and partisan. - Nupur Sharma was debating a man named Tasneem Rehmani. - Tasleem Rehmani said something denigrating towards a Hindu God (which is normal and typically goes unpunished and even unnoticed in India). - Nupur Sharma countered him by saying "Do not mock my religion. Do you want me to start talking about flying horses or the fact that your Prophet married a girl at age 6 and consummated the marriage at age 9?" - Various Islamic scholars have themselves said exactly what Nupur Sharma said. She was merely quoting their own texts in a debate. - Debate goes on and ends. Nothing happens for days. - Self-proclaimed 'fact checker' (not a journalist, according to himself) Mohammed Zubair edits this debate clip, removes the provocation by Tasneem Rehmani, only showing Nupur Sharma 'insulting' this religious Prophet. - Zubair then distributes this clip across social media and various Islamic Whatsapp groups. - In India, free speech is not absolute. Saying and doing things to create enmity between religious groups is a crime. - The fact that what Nupur Sharma says is factual and simply a response to what Tasneem Rehmani said, becomes irrelevant. - Many Muslims in India, millions of whom study in Islamic seminaries (madrasas), are whipped into a frenzy and behead multiple people with the slogan 'Sar Tan Se Juda' (meaning they will separate heads from bodies, in the ISIS style). - Police and agencies arrest this 'fact checker' Zubair and are looking into his funding. This is where the RazorPay data comes in. - Prior to his arrest, he deletes several of his social media posts and tweets mocking Hindu Gods. - Various organizations like the BBC, New York Times, Al Jazeera as well as India's left leaning publications decry Zubair's arrest as an 'attack on democracy'.

unmole 4y ago
> Islamic Whatsapp groups. > Prior to his arrest, he deletes several of his social media posts and tweets mocking Hindu Gods. You're literally peddling IT cell propaganda.
- alex_smart 4y ago
  https://socialblade.com/twitter/user/zoo_bear https://socialblade.com/twitter/user/zoo_bear This website shows 99 deleted tweets between 26th and 27th June.
MrBlueIncognito 4y ago
TL;DR two extremists make offensive statements on television, journalist tweeting a segment from it to bring it to public attention gets arrested. You may argue that Mohammed Zubair is somehow an evil cynical person who wants to watch the world burn, but the fact is that tweeting a segment from national television is not a criminal offence and should not be treated as such. > which is normal and typically goes unpunished and even unnoticed in India. Kudos for living in an alternate dimension!
- boruto 4y ago
  Well he was not arrested for it. If he had stuck to doing what he did I guess no one would go after him. He had caused diplomatic issues and bayed for nupurs head. It would do well to remember what a minority ABV gov did to tehelka and promotors. Guess that is what Modi gov is trying here.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    Nupur caused the diplomatic issues with her comments, as the counterparty countries with the actual issues clearly articulated to both India and the world, in response to said comments.
rootkea 4y ago
> Tasleem Rehmani said something denigrating towards a Hindu God I watched that entire debate and he didn't say anything degrading towards Hindu Gods. Here's the context- Hindu RW claimed a fountain in Gyanvapi mosque (situated in Kashi) as Shivalinga (God Shiva's phallus)[0] which is a part of larger campaign of claiming Muslims mosques as Hindu temples by RSS/BJP. Started with demolition of Babri mosque (situated in Ayodhya) in 1992.[1] The war-cry of the time was "Ayodhya to zaki hai. Kashi Mathura baki hai" (Ayodhya is just a trailer. Kashi and Mathura are remaining) Many Indians (majorly we secular Hindus) made fun of communal Hindus for claiming anything shaped like a phallus to be a "Shivalinga". I myself shared how in 1990s Hindus in San Fransisco started worshiping traffic barricade as "Shivalinga".[2] [0] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/hindu-group-recognises-shivling-in-gyanvapi-mosque-begins-performing-rituals-in-lucknow/article65491980.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/hindu-group-recognise... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_the_Babri_Masjid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_the_Babri_Masjid [2] https://www.freepressjournal.in/viral/san-francisco-people-worship-traffic-barricade-as-shivling-in-1990s https://www.freepressjournal.in/viral/san-francisco-people-w...

arcticfox 4y ago

Holy cow. Thanks for the context. > - Two people get murdered (one beheaded and the video streamed) for supporting Nupur Sharma on Social Media JFC, humans suck. Also interesting after looking into it is that ZooBear has tweet after tweet mocking Hinduism, yet takes extreme offense at someone mocking Islam and seems to consider it hate speech.

rootkea 4y ago
> ZooBear has tweet after tweet mocking Hinduism Absolutely false. Can you share one?
- snambi 4y ago
  There were plenty. But I think they were deleted now.
  - throwaway_1928 4y ago
    Here are some of them: https://www.opindia.com/2022/06/netizens-dig-up-old-posts-altnews-mohammed-zubair-mocking-hindu-gods-hinduism/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/06/netizens-dig-up-old-posts-al... https://www.opindia.com/2022/06/alt-news-mohammed-zubair-deletes-his-facebook-account-after-his-hinduphobic-posts-go-viral/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/06/alt-news-mohammed-zubair-del...