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If only I had a fraction of a Bitcoin for every time someone said "Why IRC and not Google talk? The world is moving on." The world is not moving on, IRC is ver

by usrn 4y ago

If only I had a fraction of a Bitcoin for every time someone said "Why IRC and not Google talk? The world is moving on." The world is not moving on, IRC is very much here to stay. It works way too well for this sort of thing and people like being able to have their client set up exactly right. It's just heavy iPhone users that left and once Apple allows web push iPhone users will be back on IRC again.

dijit 4y ago
I think a large issue might be the fact that nobody runs their own bouncers, and the idea of paying a subscription for such a thing is not something people are comfortable with. I run ZNC+Palaver and get push notifications on my iPhone; but I also run ZNC on my own machine somewhere, which is a cost and a setup most people don't usually have to bother with. One solution for casuals is probably IRCCloud; since IRCCloud will give you the same experience as mine for free, but will disconnect you if you're inactive (unless you're paying). Irccloud also precludes all of the nice features you might get if you're running your own clients... so, YMMV.
- TingPing 4y ago
  IRCCloud now acts as a regular bouncer for any client.
EmilyHughes 4y ago
I can guarantee you that the amount of people using an iPhone that are desperate to get on IRC are almost 0%
- usrn 4y ago
  Yeah when I had an iPhone I was really annoyed I couldn't leave an IRC client in the background. I'm certain I wasn't alone.
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- MaxLeiter 4y ago
  I can prove its above 0: https://twitter.com/max_leiter/status/1513963031566303235?s=21&t=RHm4O4zBe3zVQKdni3Z5ug https://twitter.com/max_leiter/status/1513963031566303235?s=...
ChadNauseam 4y ago
> The world is not moving on, IRC is very much here to stay I don't doubt that IRC is here to stay, but I've noticed more and more people moving from IRC to Matrix. Nix, the wgpu-rs guys, I believe the blender devs, and I believe the GHC devs are all on Matrix now. (No affiliation, I just like the service)
- Arnavion 4y ago
  Nix, Blender and GHC all have IRC channels on Libera, with a few hundred members each. I didn't join them but I assume they're bridged to Matrix via EMS.
seoaeu 4y ago
What percentage of internet users not using IRC would we have to reach for you to say that the world has moved on? 99%? 99.9%? 99.99%? Since it seems all those thresholds have already been passed…
- usrn 4y ago
  It doesn't matter. Some tiny minority of internet users are actively involved in OSS development and they're the ones that use IRC.

by usrn 4y ago

dijit 4y ago

I think a large issue might be the fact that nobody runs their own bouncers, and the idea of paying a subscription for such a thing is not something people are comfortable with. I run ZNC+Palaver and get push notifications on my iPhone; but I also run ZNC on my own machine somewhere, which is a cost and a setup most people don't usually have to bother with. One solution for casuals is probably IRCCloud; since IRCCloud will give you the same experience as mine for free, but will disconnect you if you're inactive (unless you're paying). Irccloud also precludes all of the nice features you might get if you're running your own clients... so, YMMV.

TingPing 4y ago
IRCCloud now acts as a regular bouncer for any client.

EmilyHughes 4y ago

I can guarantee you that the amount of people using an iPhone that are desperate to get on IRC are almost 0%

usrn 4y ago
Yeah when I had an iPhone I was really annoyed I couldn't leave an IRC client in the background. I'm certain I wasn't alone.
- deleted 4y ago
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MaxLeiter 4y ago
I can prove its above 0: https://twitter.com/max_leiter/status/1513963031566303235?s=21&t=RHm4O4zBe3zVQKdni3Z5ug https://twitter.com/max_leiter/status/1513963031566303235?s=...

ChadNauseam 4y ago

> The world is not moving on, IRC is very much here to stay I don't doubt that IRC is here to stay, but I've noticed more and more people moving from IRC to Matrix. Nix, the wgpu-rs guys, I believe the blender devs, and I believe the GHC devs are all on Matrix now. (No affiliation, I just like the service)

Arnavion 4y ago
Nix, Blender and GHC all have IRC channels on Libera, with a few hundred members each. I didn't join them but I assume they're bridged to Matrix via EMS.

seoaeu 4y ago

What percentage of internet users not using IRC would we have to reach for you to say that the world has moved on? 99%? 99.9%? 99.99%? Since it seems all those thresholds have already been passed…

usrn 4y ago
It doesn't matter. Some tiny minority of internet users are actively involved in OSS development and they're the ones that use IRC.