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I'm aware of Microsoft's anti trust actions and I'm not a fan of their then anti competitive stance. But still BGates, as a person has and been doing some wonde

I'm aware of Microsoft's anti trust actions and I'm not a fan of their then anti competitive stance. But still BGates, as a person has and been doing some wonderful things and people need to appreciate that instead of mindless hate and not seeing beyond an ideology. And here are the same people who were ridiculing Richard Stallman's comments on Steve Jobs based on his ideology but hate Bill Gates because his company has done some bad in the past and he is against their ideology. I don't see any difference. IMO, if you worship Steve Jobs and hate Bill Gates, it doesn't make any sense. They both are no Gods and they both have done plenty of good and bad.

wtallis 15y ago
Worshiping either Jobs or Gates is silly, and hating Gates requires ignoring his philanthropic work. But I also don't think you should admire Gates unless you think he believes that his riches are at least in part ill-gotten. If he thinks he earned or deserves to be so rich, then he's just a jerk who's now using his money to rehabilitate his public image - a mixed bag not worth using as a role model of good or bad.
spacemanaki 15y ago
I downvoted you because you're throwing everyone in the same bucket of straw men. > They both are no Gods and they both have done plenty of good and bad. Exactly. It's completely possible to be critical of Stallman for his recent poor taste, Jobs for the tightly controlled App Store and iOS, and Gates for abusing Microsoft's monopoly and making software that is (sometimes) shitty. At the same time, it is possible, and not hypocritical, for the same person to admire all three of them for the good and great things they've done. There is no single HN "hivemind" as much as people like to think that there is. There a great many individual voices which you have decided to lump together. I doubt there is seriously anyone on here who literally worships Steve Jobs and actually hates Bill Gates.
- blntechie 15y ago
  I'm completely fine with people admiring all three for their good. In fact, I do so. But I'm critical of one taking different stances just because of the people involved and not based on the merit of the discussion. You can see this contradiction occasionally in HN. You just need to scroll down to the end of these comments to see people who worship Steve and hate Bill. Also - for some reason, Firefox in Android does not show reply link for deeper comments.
  - spacemanaki 15y ago
    > Also - for some reason, Firefox in Android does not show reply link for deeper comments. That's a feature of HN, not of Firefox. There's a delay before the "reply" link appears, and the delay is longer the deeper the thread is nested, to prevent fast back and forth comments degenerating into arguments, I believe. As for the comments at the bottom of that page, you're absolutely right, and I unfortunately overestimated the quality of the discussion in this thread. All the more reason to avoid the bottom of the comment page on stories with hundreds of comments.

wtallis 15y ago

Worshiping either Jobs or Gates is silly, and hating Gates requires ignoring his philanthropic work. But I also don't think you should admire Gates unless you think he believes that his riches are at least in part ill-gotten. If he thinks he earned or deserves to be so rich, then he's just a jerk who's now using his money to rehabilitate his public image - a mixed bag not worth using as a role model of good or bad.

spacemanaki 15y ago

I downvoted you because you're throwing everyone in the same bucket of straw men. > They both are no Gods and they both have done plenty of good and bad. Exactly. It's completely possible to be critical of Stallman for his recent poor taste, Jobs for the tightly controlled App Store and iOS, and Gates for abusing Microsoft's monopoly and making software that is (sometimes) shitty. At the same time, it is possible, and not hypocritical, for the same person to admire all three of them for the good and great things they've done. There is no single HN "hivemind" as much as people like to think that there is. There a great many individual voices which you have decided to lump together. I doubt there is seriously anyone on here who literally worships Steve Jobs and actually hates Bill Gates.

blntechie 15y ago
I'm completely fine with people admiring all three for their good. In fact, I do so. But I'm critical of one taking different stances just because of the people involved and not based on the merit of the discussion. You can see this contradiction occasionally in HN. You just need to scroll down to the end of these comments to see people who worship Steve and hate Bill. Also - for some reason, Firefox in Android does not show reply link for deeper comments.
- spacemanaki 15y ago
  > Also - for some reason, Firefox in Android does not show reply link for deeper comments. That's a feature of HN, not of Firefox. There's a delay before the "reply" link appears, and the delay is longer the deeper the thread is nested, to prevent fast back and forth comments degenerating into arguments, I believe. As for the comments at the bottom of that page, you're absolutely right, and I unfortunately overestimated the quality of the discussion in this thread. All the more reason to avoid the bottom of the comment page on stories with hundreds of comments.