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It's concerning that YC is funding companies that are so aligned with BJP bigotry that they comply with invasion of privacy requests without a court order.

flareback 4y ago
What is "BJP"?
- jfk13 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party
ramraj07 4y ago
If they find any company in India they’re hitting a 50-50 that the company would do something like this. Only option then is not to invest in india?
sumedh 4y ago
If you dont comply with the govt, the govt can shut down your business without a due process if you dont have the money to fight.
anon261114 4y ago
I give zero sympathy or support to BJP and its destruction of India's democratic institutions. Yet, I can't agree with your comment. First, I don't think Razorpay supports BJP or its bigotry, at least openly. One indicator of that is that they have retained critical media like AltNews and Wire as customers from years. I don't think they'd do that if they were pro-BJP or pro-bigotry. Plus, I've noticed that rightwing companies and founders are generally very vocal about their support on social media (e.g.: PayTM, Zoho). They like boasting about their ideology. I don't see that with Razorpay or its founders. As far as I can see, Razorpay is "neutral". Second, I don't see how YC can avoid funding such companies. You can't really expect them to include a rightwing checkbox that automatically excludes founders. YC itself seems to ignore ideology anyway. To repeat the previous point, there's nothing visibly political about Razorpay. It's not involved in any Indian government projects. It's not a Huawei or Palantir of India. I really don't see how YC can avoid funding such companies. Third, the justice system that emerges from Indian laws, police training, and even its legal jurisprudence is anything but liberal. And that's ignoring the unethical malicious thinking that's prevalent in those people. We have sedition, UAPA, a quasi-blasphemy law, and a dozen other similar illiberal laws. Section 91 of the CrPC does seem to compel companies to hand over any information that's asked. I see this as an undesirable, but inevitable, outcome of our legal system. Whenever I donate, I do so knowing that I may come under government scrutiny some day. Probably, Razorpay could have resisted the demand a little. But I doubt any neutral company does that. And even if they did, it wouldn't be for too long - some lower court would have forced them to disclose transactions. A possible future outcome: The law and judiciary are increasingly turning into kangaroo courts. If Zubair or AltNews are declared terrorists under UAPA, all donors (who were just donating to upholding truth) can be labeled terror funders!
- ahamedirshad123 4y ago
  Go through the timeline of founder of Razorpay, and you will know.
- smashah 4y ago
  neutrality in the face of bigotry seems like alignment, or at least it's a sign of a larger problem which you've very clearly laid out. I think it's time to consider Boycotting, divestment and sanctions of India since it's flat-spinning into the clutches of full-on fascism. Very sad.
  - methusala8 4y ago
    And India will reciprocate by boycotting all those countries which try to do this. But you are starting a new type of apartheid.
    - smashah 4y ago
      As is your right. It will need to start from the individual level so I will be encouraging everyone around me to limit their exposure to Indian businesses.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - methusala8 4y ago
        You can do whatever the F you want. I do not care. Neither do most people in this world.
    - honkler 4y ago
      india already does aparthied of it's minorities, dalits (lower castes). So why not?
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
lazyninja987 4y ago
I dont think it has anything to do with BJP. Congress in the past too jailed people for criticizing sonia gandhi over social media. It was facebook of the past. Having said that, razor pay has very less options here. Anti-money laundering laws across the world record sender-reciever details out-of-the-box even though the transaction is as benign as buying a box of chocolates. In this scenario, govt came back to collect information, which it asked razorpay to collect as part of book keeping.

flareback 4y ago

What is "BJP"?

jfk13 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party

ramraj07 4y ago

If they find any company in India they’re hitting a 50-50 that the company would do something like this. Only option then is not to invest in india?

sumedh 4y ago

If you dont comply with the govt, the govt can shut down your business without a due process if you dont have the money to fight.

anon261114 4y ago

I give zero sympathy or support to BJP and its destruction of India's democratic institutions. Yet, I can't agree with your comment. First, I don't think Razorpay supports BJP or its bigotry, at least openly. One indicator of that is that they have retained critical media like AltNews and Wire as customers from years. I don't think they'd do that if they were pro-BJP or pro-bigotry. Plus, I've noticed that rightwing companies and founders are generally very vocal about their support on social media (e.g.: PayTM, Zoho). They like boasting about their ideology. I don't see that with Razorpay or its founders. As far as I can see, Razorpay is "neutral". Second, I don't see how YC can avoid funding such companies. You can't really expect them to include a rightwing checkbox that automatically excludes founders. YC itself seems to ignore ideology anyway. To repeat the previous point, there's nothing visibly political about Razorpay. It's not involved in any Indian government projects. It's not a Huawei or Palantir of India. I really don't see how YC can avoid funding such companies. Third, the justice system that emerges from Indian laws, police training, and even its legal jurisprudence is anything but liberal. And that's ignoring the unethical malicious thinking that's prevalent in those people. We have sedition, UAPA, a quasi-blasphemy law, and a dozen other similar illiberal laws. Section 91 of the CrPC does seem to compel companies to hand over any information that's asked. I see this as an undesirable, but inevitable, outcome of our legal system. Whenever I donate, I do so knowing that I may come under government scrutiny some day. Probably, Razorpay could have resisted the demand a little. But I doubt any neutral company does that. And even if they did, it wouldn't be for too long - some lower court would have forced them to disclose transactions. A possible future outcome: The law and judiciary are increasingly turning into kangaroo courts. If Zubair or AltNews are declared terrorists under UAPA, all donors (who were just donating to upholding truth) can be labeled terror funders!

ahamedirshad123 4y ago
Go through the timeline of founder of Razorpay, and you will know.
smashah 4y ago
neutrality in the face of bigotry seems like alignment, or at least it's a sign of a larger problem which you've very clearly laid out. I think it's time to consider Boycotting, divestment and sanctions of India since it's flat-spinning into the clutches of full-on fascism. Very sad.
- methusala8 4y ago
  And India will reciprocate by boycotting all those countries which try to do this. But you are starting a new type of apartheid.
  - smashah 4y ago
    As is your right. It will need to start from the individual level so I will be encouraging everyone around me to limit their exposure to Indian businesses.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - methusala8 4y ago
      You can do whatever the F you want. I do not care. Neither do most people in this world.
  - honkler 4y ago
    india already does aparthied of it's minorities, dalits (lower castes). So why not?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]

lazyninja987 4y ago

I dont think it has anything to do with BJP. Congress in the past too jailed people for criticizing sonia gandhi over social media. It was facebook of the past. Having said that, razor pay has very less options here. Anti-money laundering laws across the world record sender-reciever details out-of-the-box even though the transaction is as benign as buying a box of chocolates. In this scenario, govt came back to collect information, which it asked razorpay to collect as part of book keeping.