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Ha, amateurs. Look at the work of a professional (that is, he made it his source of income) conspiracy theorist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(F

Ha, amateurs. Look at the work of a professional (that is, he made it his source of income) conspiracy theorist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(Fomenko) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(Fomenko)

Semiapies 4y ago
Beat me to it; the New Chronology is wonderfully bonkers.
- NoGravitas 4y ago
  Related, but Tartaria is another fun rabbit hole to wander down.
  - Semiapies 4y ago
    Oh, wow. That is...a Hell of a thing. Thanks for the tip!
golergka 4y ago
He is actually a quite well-known and professional mathematician. Too bad it's not what he's known for anymore.
the_only_law 4y ago
> The conspiracy theory further proposes that world history prior to AD 1600 has been widely falsified to suit the interests of a number of different conspirators including the Vatican, the Holy Roman Empire, and the Russian House of Romanov, all working to obscure the "true" history of the world centered around a global empire called the "Russian Horde". Sounds like he just played too much eu4.
stackbutterflow 4y ago
That's actually what I thought the article was about. Odd that there wasn't any mention of it.
andrewla 4y ago
Some of the New Chronology is delightfully whacky. In particular I love the idea of historical events documented by independent sources result in appearing to be two or more events that cause the timeline to be expanded. One example is that Suleiman the Magnificent and Solomon were the same person, just documented from two different perspectives. And thus the Hagia Sofia and Solomon's Temple are the same building. His criticisms of radiocarbon dating are interesting (while not completely supportive of his hypothesis). But it is an interesting rabbit hole to dig into; the relationship between radiocarbon dating and dendrochronology, and the attempt to get an accurate historical record of carbon isotopic composition over the last couple of thousand years is a surprisingly difficult problem, and in many cases has circular dependencies on known ages of artifacts.
- mike_hearn 4y ago
  Yeah, this stuff is whacky but really fun to read about. Even though most of it is surely wrong it leads to all sorts of fascinating rabbit holes. I wrote a three part series where I summarize some of the more interesting pseudo-history theories that are out there: https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-1-2e88f08d6617 https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-1-... https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-2-197a70c13fa9 https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-2-... https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-3-808e7d9e385d https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-3-... PTH doesn't really make an appearance because it's actually one of the less interesting theories. I don't believe these, but the facts the authors bring up to argue for their position are always interesting to learn about. Part 3 discusses some of the issues with 'scientific' dating methods and covers the circularity problem you discuss.
  - makz 4y ago
    Wow, this is super interesting, thanks for sharing.

Semiapies 4y ago

Beat me to it; the New Chronology is wonderfully bonkers.

NoGravitas 4y ago
Related, but Tartaria is another fun rabbit hole to wander down.
- Semiapies 4y ago
  Oh, wow. That is...a Hell of a thing. Thanks for the tip!

golergka 4y ago

He is actually a quite well-known and professional mathematician. Too bad it's not what he's known for anymore.

the_only_law 4y ago

> The conspiracy theory further proposes that world history prior to AD 1600 has been widely falsified to suit the interests of a number of different conspirators including the Vatican, the Holy Roman Empire, and the Russian House of Romanov, all working to obscure the "true" history of the world centered around a global empire called the "Russian Horde". Sounds like he just played too much eu4.

stackbutterflow 4y ago

That's actually what I thought the article was about. Odd that there wasn't any mention of it.

andrewla 4y ago

Some of the New Chronology is delightfully whacky. In particular I love the idea of historical events documented by independent sources result in appearing to be two or more events that cause the timeline to be expanded. One example is that Suleiman the Magnificent and Solomon were the same person, just documented from two different perspectives. And thus the Hagia Sofia and Solomon's Temple are the same building. His criticisms of radiocarbon dating are interesting (while not completely supportive of his hypothesis). But it is an interesting rabbit hole to dig into; the relationship between radiocarbon dating and dendrochronology, and the attempt to get an accurate historical record of carbon isotopic composition over the last couple of thousand years is a surprisingly difficult problem, and in many cases has circular dependencies on known ages of artifacts.

mike_hearn 4y ago
Yeah, this stuff is whacky but really fun to read about. Even though most of it is surely wrong it leads to all sorts of fascinating rabbit holes. I wrote a three part series where I summarize some of the more interesting pseudo-history theories that are out there: https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-1-2e88f08d6617 https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-1-... https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-2-197a70c13fa9 https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-2-... https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-3-808e7d9e385d https://blog.plan99.net/meta-historical-conspiracies-part-3-... PTH doesn't really make an appearance because it's actually one of the less interesting theories. I don't believe these, but the facts the authors bring up to argue for their position are always interesting to learn about. Part 3 discusses some of the issues with 'scientific' dating methods and covers the circularity problem you discuss.
- makz 4y ago
  Wow, this is super interesting, thanks for sharing.