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Quebec is represented by the CAQ at provincial level who are nationalist/separatist. Bloc at federal level who are also separatists. Quebec quite clearly wants

Quebec is represented by the CAQ at provincial level who are nationalist/separatist. Bloc at federal level who are also separatists. Quebec quite clearly wants to separate. Technically speaking if we were to have a nationwide referendum on 'should canada kick quebec to the curb' it would be overwhelmingly in favour of throwing quebec out. So what's going on? If you go back 75 years. Quebec due to the language barrier has economic isolation. This makes them quite poor. Quebec has traditionally been very poor compared to the rest of the continent. To 'help', on average Quebec receives 40-75 billion more than they pay in taxes. More importantly, lets say Quebec separates. Quebec is so screwed. They will be short so much money they effectively would be immediately forced to close all of their schools including post-secondary. AND immediately close all public healthcare. That's how much money Quebec would have to raise in taxes just to break even after losing Canada. Then they have to go further. What you think you dont need a military? Quebec has no trade agreements or alliances. They basically have to more than double their tax burden. I wonder if the people of Quebec feel like they are heavily undertaxed?

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
> What you think you dont need a military? Actually they wouldn’t. There is no way in hell that the US allows a foreign power to attack Quebec. That area is too strategically sensitive to the US.
jpambrun 4y ago
Your premise is false. CAQ is not separatist and bloc has barely any representative. Seperation is at a all time low. The level of transfer payment is closer to 10b than 75b.. What sort of BS do you believe in the ROC??
- incomingpain 4y ago
  >CAQ is not separatist and bloc has barely any representative. Seperation is at a all time low. I do understand legault has said he's not separatist. Actions > words. Quebec Liberals have been quite vocal that the CAQ are separatists. As an objective ontario person I say the CAQ are separatist. Let's not even bring up Trudeau and western alienation. In terms of Bloc representation. They have what 50% of the seats in Quebec. Sure sounds like representation to me. Though yes I do agree separatism is quite low, but that seems to have far more to do with the reality that Quebec becomes poor. >The level of transfer payment is closer to 10b than 75b.. If you're looking solely at 'equalization payments' it's around $13 billion. That's not the only money going to Quebec. Canada Health Transfer is another $10B to Quebec. Canada social transfer is another $3B to quebec. There's $26 billion in straight up $ transfers. Now you also have to look at other federal expenditures. Quebec pays X$/year in taxes but the fed pays for lots of things within Quebec. CBSA, Military, etc. The lowest it has ever been is about $20billion in net difference. That is to say, Canadians paying Quebec $20 billion on top of that $26 billion. Canadians have been giving Quebec a ton of money for decades and it's also getting worse. Though the table that I use hasn't been updated because of covid. So I don't know what this years' data looks like. Fundamentally Quebec is basically incapable of separating.
  - jpambrun 4y ago
    I am not sure we should care how a political party defines another.. CAQ are definitely against pushing sovereignty. Bloc did better than I remembered, good for them. Outside of equalization, that federal money comes from our taxes. Besides, if Quebec is so much poorer that the ROC it is because of inequalities that is the impetus for seperatist to begin with. You sound like the beating husband that rejoice because the beaten wife can't afford to leave.
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RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

> What you think you dont need a military? Actually they wouldn’t. There is no way in hell that the US allows a foreign power to attack Quebec. That area is too strategically sensitive to the US.

jpambrun 4y ago

Your premise is false. CAQ is not separatist and bloc has barely any representative. Seperation is at a all time low. The level of transfer payment is closer to 10b than 75b.. What sort of BS do you believe in the ROC??

incomingpain 4y ago
>CAQ is not separatist and bloc has barely any representative. Seperation is at a all time low. I do understand legault has said he's not separatist. Actions > words. Quebec Liberals have been quite vocal that the CAQ are separatists. As an objective ontario person I say the CAQ are separatist. Let's not even bring up Trudeau and western alienation. In terms of Bloc representation. They have what 50% of the seats in Quebec. Sure sounds like representation to me. Though yes I do agree separatism is quite low, but that seems to have far more to do with the reality that Quebec becomes poor. >The level of transfer payment is closer to 10b than 75b.. If you're looking solely at 'equalization payments' it's around $13 billion. That's not the only money going to Quebec. Canada Health Transfer is another $10B to Quebec. Canada social transfer is another $3B to quebec. There's $26 billion in straight up $ transfers. Now you also have to look at other federal expenditures. Quebec pays X$/year in taxes but the fed pays for lots of things within Quebec. CBSA, Military, etc. The lowest it has ever been is about $20billion in net difference. That is to say, Canadians paying Quebec $20 billion on top of that $26 billion. Canadians have been giving Quebec a ton of money for decades and it's also getting worse. Though the table that I use hasn't been updated because of covid. So I don't know what this years' data looks like. Fundamentally Quebec is basically incapable of separating.
- jpambrun 4y ago
  I am not sure we should care how a political party defines another.. CAQ are definitely against pushing sovereignty. Bloc did better than I remembered, good for them. Outside of equalization, that federal money comes from our taxes. Besides, if Quebec is so much poorer that the ROC it is because of inequalities that is the impetus for seperatist to begin with. You sound like the beating husband that rejoice because the beaten wife can't afford to leave.
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