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But Catholic religious symbols are not excluded -- they're everywhere, but it's called 'history' and 'culture'. The lengths CSDM builders go to to leave a giant

But Catholic religious symbols are not excluded -- they're everywhere, but it's called 'history' and 'culture'. The lengths CSDM builders go to to leave a giant crucifix on a school building undisturbed even when demolishing the rest are truly noteworthy.

magic-chicken 4y ago
The crucifix was removed from Quebec National Assembly a few years ago https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/crucifix-removed-national-assembly-from-blue-room-1.5205352 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/crucifix-removed-nat...
- goosedragons 4y ago
  They literally didn't mention anything about the National Assembly.
  - magic-chicken 4y ago
    The point is that the crucifix was removed from the most symbolic place it could be removed from. If thats not a strong, consistent signal that Quebec wants religions out of the public institutions, then what is?
    - goosedragons 4y ago
      Removing the rest of them? Changing the names of all the places named after Catholic Saints? Not having the municipality put up Christmas decorations every year? You know, actually taking action to do that? They only took down the cross in the National Assembly after backlash and calls of hypocrisy. Originally Legault wanted it to stay up. That alone says to me how BS the whole thing is.
      - magic-chicken 4y ago
        The process to remove religions from public institutions started 50-70 years ago. It's a process, and its going to take a long time, as there is 400 years of history to deal with. Saying that the whole process is BS because there was some hesitation, or because there are still streets named after catholic Saints is just a logical fallacy.
        goosedragons 4y ago
        The fact that the person hesitating is the Premier of the government that introduced and passed the legislation doesn't send a good message.
      - rayiner 4y ago
        > Changing the names of all the places named after Catholic Saints? Not having the municipality put up Christmas decorations every year? But that stuff really is "history and culture" rather than "public endorsement of religion." People in my home country would never tolerate foreign Christians coming in and demanding that the state stop celebrating Eid or changing place names. People are entitled to their heritage, and shouldn’t have to erase it to accommodate newcomers.
        goosedragons 4y ago
        Supposedly it's Quebecers themselves who want reglious symbols out of the public sphere. Not immigrants or outsiders. Crosses and Christmas trees are reglious symbols, sure there is some "history and culture" there but there is also "history and culture" in Confederate monuments and places named after them. If Quebecers are serious about removing religious symbols in the public sphere they should take steps to actually do so. It's picking and choosing what religious symbols to have around.
        rayiner 4y ago
        > Christmas trees are reglious symbols, sure there is some "history and culture" there there We had a Christmas tree every year growing up in America as immigrants from a Muslim country. When I visit Tokyo in December, which is in a non-Christian country, there are Christmas trees in all the malls. Christmas trees are the archetypal examples of religious symbols that have turned into cultural symbols. > there is also "history and culture" in Confederate monuments and places named after them. Please, lean into this.

magic-chicken 4y ago

The crucifix was removed from Quebec National Assembly a few years ago https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/crucifix-removed-national-assembly-from-blue-room-1.5205352 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/crucifix-removed-nat...

goosedragons 4y ago
They literally didn't mention anything about the National Assembly.
- magic-chicken 4y ago
  The point is that the crucifix was removed from the most symbolic place it could be removed from. If thats not a strong, consistent signal that Quebec wants religions out of the public institutions, then what is?
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    Removing the rest of them? Changing the names of all the places named after Catholic Saints? Not having the municipality put up Christmas decorations every year? You know, actually taking action to do that? They only took down the cross in the National Assembly after backlash and calls of hypocrisy. Originally Legault wanted it to stay up. That alone says to me how BS the whole thing is.
    - magic-chicken 4y ago
      The process to remove religions from public institutions started 50-70 years ago. It's a process, and its going to take a long time, as there is 400 years of history to deal with. Saying that the whole process is BS because there was some hesitation, or because there are still streets named after catholic Saints is just a logical fallacy.
      - goosedragons 4y ago
        The fact that the person hesitating is the Premier of the government that introduced and passed the legislation doesn't send a good message.
    - rayiner 4y ago
      > Changing the names of all the places named after Catholic Saints? Not having the municipality put up Christmas decorations every year? But that stuff really is "history and culture" rather than "public endorsement of religion." People in my home country would never tolerate foreign Christians coming in and demanding that the state stop celebrating Eid or changing place names. People are entitled to their heritage, and shouldn’t have to erase it to accommodate newcomers.
      - goosedragons 4y ago
        Supposedly it's Quebecers themselves who want reglious symbols out of the public sphere. Not immigrants or outsiders. Crosses and Christmas trees are reglious symbols, sure there is some "history and culture" there but there is also "history and culture" in Confederate monuments and places named after them. If Quebecers are serious about removing religious symbols in the public sphere they should take steps to actually do so. It's picking and choosing what religious symbols to have around.
        rayiner 4y ago
        > Christmas trees are reglious symbols, sure there is some "history and culture" there there We had a Christmas tree every year growing up in America as immigrants from a Muslim country. When I visit Tokyo in December, which is in a non-Christian country, there are Christmas trees in all the malls. Christmas trees are the archetypal examples of religious symbols that have turned into cultural symbols. > there is also "history and culture" in Confederate monuments and places named after them. Please, lean into this.