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If Hudson Yards had to follow Louisville, KY's parking requirements

23 points by agomez314 4y ago

frosted-flakes 4y ago
I'm currently reading a book called The High Cost of Free Parking. It's a 23-hour audiobook and I'm only 2 hours in, but already I'm completely convinced that minimum parking requirements are the root cause of out terrible car-dependent cities.
joshstrange 4y ago
"If I take take (incorrect) parking requirements from a different city and apply them to NYC it's crazy!" Sorry but this is one of the worst forms of "Twitter journalism". In a later tweet he says: > Some people are saying that Downtown Louisville has removed its parking minimums, which may be true but I used this site that helps me amalgamate parking requirements for each major city in America: https://munistandards.com/ky/louisville/parking-requirements/ https://munistandards.com/ky/louisville/parking-requirements... Oh, no big deal, just "some people" but don't worry he used a random website to backup his claims so it's all good. The doubling down and defending your stance because you used bad data... I can't even. None of this is to say there aren't stupid parking/pro-car policies in many cities including Louisville but this is one of the top reasons I hate twitter.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  Yes, it is crazy. That's the point. It illustrates the utterly absurd cities that braindead minimum parking requirements create. Free parking is a scourge.
  - joshstrange 4y ago
    I haven't said that minimum parking requirements are good, I'm saying that using bad data and apples/oranges comparisons is just bad reporting/journalism/etc. Responding to people saying you are using bad/outdated data with "Yeah but that's what this non-official website said" or "yeah but it's still a problem" is just a diversion from screwing up.
    - frosted-flakes 4y ago
      What bad data, and what apples/oranges comparisons? That city design was created by minimum parking requirements, that's not disputed. The fact that the requirements were recently lifted is great, but irrelevant to the point being made. Also, it's an analogy, and analogies are intended to illustrate a point, not be a perfect likeness.
      - joshstrange 4y ago
        How is the fact that something is no longer true "irrelevant"? Also it's apple and oranges to take a rule from Louisville, KY and apply it to NYC, they are very different places. IF this person's point could have stood on it's own then they should have used a rule from Louisville, a building from Louisville, and a map showing the space from Louisville. Taking a rule that doesn't exist anymore, transplanting it to a different city and building is disingenuous at best.
        frosted-flakes 4y ago
        The recent rule change is irrelevant because the city was developed when the rule was still in place. Cities don't change overnight. The point is that minimum parking requirements create terrible cities. Louisville is primarily different from NYC in that it is highly dependant on cars, massive roads, and massive parking lots, while NYC is not. If NYC was developed in the age of cars when off-street parking minimums began to be widely adopted by cities everywhere across the continent, it would be very similar to Louisville. But it wasn't, and it isn't. That's the entire point of the comparison.

23 points by agomez314 4y ago

I'm currently reading a book called The High Cost of Free Parking. It's a 23-hour audiobook and I'm only 2 hours in, but already I'm completely convinced that minimum parking requirements are the root cause of out terrible car-dependent cities.

joshstrange 4y ago

"If I take take (incorrect) parking requirements from a different city and apply them to NYC it's crazy!" Sorry but this is one of the worst forms of "Twitter journalism". In a later tweet he says: > Some people are saying that Downtown Louisville has removed its parking minimums, which may be true but I used this site that helps me amalgamate parking requirements for each major city in America: https://munistandards.com/ky/louisville/parking-requirements/ https://munistandards.com/ky/louisville/parking-requirements... Oh, no big deal, just "some people" but don't worry he used a random website to backup his claims so it's all good. The doubling down and defending your stance because you used bad data... I can't even. None of this is to say there aren't stupid parking/pro-car policies in many cities including Louisville but this is one of the top reasons I hate twitter.

frosted-flakes 4y ago
Yes, it is crazy. That's the point. It illustrates the utterly absurd cities that braindead minimum parking requirements create. Free parking is a scourge.
- joshstrange 4y ago
  I haven't said that minimum parking requirements are good, I'm saying that using bad data and apples/oranges comparisons is just bad reporting/journalism/etc. Responding to people saying you are using bad/outdated data with "Yeah but that's what this non-official website said" or "yeah but it's still a problem" is just a diversion from screwing up.
  - frosted-flakes 4y ago
    What bad data, and what apples/oranges comparisons? That city design was created by minimum parking requirements, that's not disputed. The fact that the requirements were recently lifted is great, but irrelevant to the point being made. Also, it's an analogy, and analogies are intended to illustrate a point, not be a perfect likeness.
    - joshstrange 4y ago
      How is the fact that something is no longer true "irrelevant"? Also it's apple and oranges to take a rule from Louisville, KY and apply it to NYC, they are very different places. IF this person's point could have stood on it's own then they should have used a rule from Louisville, a building from Louisville, and a map showing the space from Louisville. Taking a rule that doesn't exist anymore, transplanting it to a different city and building is disingenuous at best.
      - frosted-flakes 4y ago
        The recent rule change is irrelevant because the city was developed when the rule was still in place. Cities don't change overnight. The point is that minimum parking requirements create terrible cities. Louisville is primarily different from NYC in that it is highly dependant on cars, massive roads, and massive parking lots, while NYC is not. If NYC was developed in the age of cars when off-street parking minimums began to be widely adopted by cities everywhere across the continent, it would be very similar to Louisville. But it wasn't, and it isn't. That's the entire point of the comparison.