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I think the current App Store model works fine. There could perhaps be more stringent government regulation around app development and data practices, but I do

I think the current App Store model works fine. There could perhaps be more stringent government regulation around app development and data practices, but I don't believe that's the solution either as it would kill off small time devs entirely.

stale2002 4y ago
You are missing the point. The current app store model requires giving Apple 15-30%. That is part of the reason why there is now a law, in the EU, that will force the app ecosystem open. And people are pretending like they care about things like privacy, and yet the solution that the person I was responding to gave does not solve the privacy issue, and instead just gives Apple money. The point here, is if you actually care about privacy or data practices, or whatever, then the burden is on you to suggest a solution that both allows everyone to get around the Apple cut, and also solves this problem. Or don't. The laws are already passed, so it is too late to stop Apple from losing all this money.
- stevewatson301 4y ago
  You're missing the point too. The App store did have some enforcement of privacy and security, which can't exist in a decentralized system that has now been enforced. Sure, app developers would have more freedoms, but we're back to the OP's point - this is not a good thing as they too don't have the user's best interest in mind. Looking at the record of data breaches, I see it's Apple or Google who have held a high standard so far, while app developers have been rampantly abusing users for their own interests.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > The App store did have some enforcement of privacy and security Ok, thats fine. And if this is something that you care about, then presumably you should recommend a way to do that, while also making sure that Apple gets a 0% cut, so that one of the purposes of the DMA is also fulfilled. > but we're back to the OP's point - this is not a good thing The OP gave no recommendations that actually helped with privacy and security. Instead, they simply thought of a way to give Apple more money. If you care about security, or whatever, fine. But the original proposed solution that the OP gave, was that Apple should charge more money to 3rd party developers. Charging more money to 3rd party developers is not a solution that has much to do with anything related to security. Instead it does not help users, and just gives money to Apple.

stale2002 4y ago

You are missing the point. The current app store model requires giving Apple 15-30%. That is part of the reason why there is now a law, in the EU, that will force the app ecosystem open. And people are pretending like they care about things like privacy, and yet the solution that the person I was responding to gave does not solve the privacy issue, and instead just gives Apple money. The point here, is if you actually care about privacy or data practices, or whatever, then the burden is on you to suggest a solution that both allows everyone to get around the Apple cut, and also solves this problem. Or don't. The laws are already passed, so it is too late to stop Apple from losing all this money.

stevewatson301 4y ago
You're missing the point too. The App store did have some enforcement of privacy and security, which can't exist in a decentralized system that has now been enforced. Sure, app developers would have more freedoms, but we're back to the OP's point - this is not a good thing as they too don't have the user's best interest in mind. Looking at the record of data breaches, I see it's Apple or Google who have held a high standard so far, while app developers have been rampantly abusing users for their own interests.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > The App store did have some enforcement of privacy and security Ok, thats fine. And if this is something that you care about, then presumably you should recommend a way to do that, while also making sure that Apple gets a 0% cut, so that one of the purposes of the DMA is also fulfilled. > but we're back to the OP's point - this is not a good thing The OP gave no recommendations that actually helped with privacy and security. Instead, they simply thought of a way to give Apple more money. If you care about security, or whatever, fine. But the original proposed solution that the OP gave, was that Apple should charge more money to 3rd party developers. Charging more money to 3rd party developers is not a solution that has much to do with anything related to security. Instead it does not help users, and just gives money to Apple.