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TikTok confirms it is using Oracle infrastructure in the US

27 points by testrun 4y ago

oyebenny 4y ago
No shit. That's how their staying afloat. Oracle is basically a Chinese backed American company now.
- CyanBird 4y ago
  Good lord, what an absurdly low quality comment It is almost funny how bad it is if it weren't by the fact that we are in ycombinator
  - pretdl 4y ago
- neximo64 4y ago
  From your comment you can tell you aren't really aware of what's going on. It is almost the opposite in its entirety & the condition that TikTok was able to keep operating in the US as a Chinese company.
- davidro80 4y ago
CyanBird 4y ago
Funny seeing high level management talk of sysadmins as "masterminds" whom "have access to everything" Yeah, exactly, that's what you hire sysadmins for and specially high seniors, for them to have access to everything Anyhow, it has been interesting seeing buzzfeed and Newsweek with their deep connections get these scoops, but I wasn't quite a fan of them for the fact that they were being misleading with the timelines of it, such as saying that ""everything can be seen in China"" when that ought have been on a past tense given than Tiktok has been working with oracle for a while to sanitize their datasets, but I guess "reality" just isn't good enough to sell clicks and outrage
bob1029 4y ago
Does it really matter where the data sleeps at night when someone can simply SSH in from Beijing and hit a reporting DB? Or, are we actually expecting Oracle to follow through with making this a trustworthy process? Who here would now install and use their product per this news?
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  At least we can now be sure the data is now safely accessible to the US goons.
- est 4y ago
  > when someone can simply SSH in from Beijing and hit a reporting DB? Does it really matter when China & Tiktok is practically connected to the same Internet?
  - bob1029 4y ago
    As far as I am aware, simply being connected to the same internet does not automatically provide unfettered access to all participants' data.
- drnonsense42 4y ago
  Important to note that the audience of this article and Tiktok’s target market are disjoint. Relevant minds need to be swayed.
Shadonototra 4y ago
I do not trust what the US is capable of doing with that data, good thing i'm not american
- InCityDreams 4y ago
  Bad thing you're not American. Regarding themselves, there are domestic rules, regulations and laws. For you, as a foreigner, no such protections apply.
  - midasz 4y ago
    It really doesn't matter where you're from, my country will spy on you and your country on me. Then they just exchange info. Loophole. Tada.
  - Shadonototra 4y ago
    So i can't have an opinion on the matter? What about Instagram data regarding foreigners? Should they use local cloud providers and store their data in the country of the user? What should we do about you? is it a lost cause? or you are willing to accept that we can question things and have different opinion? That's the problem with people like you, you print infinite money, and make people believe what you hand them is not toilet paper, then when we catch you spying me wiping my ass with that toilet paper, you start to complain and tell me what i should do with it, what i am saying doesn't make sense right?
    - Georgelemental 4y ago
      The poster you replied to was not defending the US's spying practices; they were saying that as a non-US resident you get spied on by the US more, not less.
avrionov 4y ago
One thing that is not discussed here is that Oracle offers much cheaper bandwidth compared to all other big cloud providers. Bandwidth is one area of the cloud offerings where the prices hasn't changed much. Oracle was able to attract Zoom also for potion of their backed. Getting more competition here will enable smaller players to create apps which rely more on video. Disclaimer: I haven't use Oracle cloud, just researched it.

27 points by testrun 4y ago

oyebenny 4y ago

No shit. That's how their staying afloat. Oracle is basically a Chinese backed American company now.

CyanBird 4y ago
Good lord, what an absurdly low quality comment It is almost funny how bad it is if it weren't by the fact that we are in ycombinator
- pretdl 4y ago
neximo64 4y ago
From your comment you can tell you aren't really aware of what's going on. It is almost the opposite in its entirety & the condition that TikTok was able to keep operating in the US as a Chinese company.
davidro80 4y ago

CyanBird 4y ago

Funny seeing high level management talk of sysadmins as "masterminds" whom "have access to everything" Yeah, exactly, that's what you hire sysadmins for and specially high seniors, for them to have access to everything Anyhow, it has been interesting seeing buzzfeed and Newsweek with their deep connections get these scoops, but I wasn't quite a fan of them for the fact that they were being misleading with the timelines of it, such as saying that ""everything can be seen in China"" when that ought have been on a past tense given than Tiktok has been working with oracle for a while to sanitize their datasets, but I guess "reality" just isn't good enough to sell clicks and outrage

bob1029 4y ago

Does it really matter where the data sleeps at night when someone can simply SSH in from Beijing and hit a reporting DB? Or, are we actually expecting Oracle to follow through with making this a trustworthy process? Who here would now install and use their product per this news?

tinus_hn 4y ago
At least we can now be sure the data is now safely accessible to the US goons.
est 4y ago
> when someone can simply SSH in from Beijing and hit a reporting DB? Does it really matter when China & Tiktok is practically connected to the same Internet?
- bob1029 4y ago
  As far as I am aware, simply being connected to the same internet does not automatically provide unfettered access to all participants' data.
drnonsense42 4y ago
Important to note that the audience of this article and Tiktok’s target market are disjoint. Relevant minds need to be swayed.

Shadonototra 4y ago

I do not trust what the US is capable of doing with that data, good thing i'm not american

InCityDreams 4y ago
Bad thing you're not American. Regarding themselves, there are domestic rules, regulations and laws. For you, as a foreigner, no such protections apply.
- midasz 4y ago
  It really doesn't matter where you're from, my country will spy on you and your country on me. Then they just exchange info. Loophole. Tada.
- Shadonototra 4y ago
  So i can't have an opinion on the matter? What about Instagram data regarding foreigners? Should they use local cloud providers and store their data in the country of the user? What should we do about you? is it a lost cause? or you are willing to accept that we can question things and have different opinion? That's the problem with people like you, you print infinite money, and make people believe what you hand them is not toilet paper, then when we catch you spying me wiping my ass with that toilet paper, you start to complain and tell me what i should do with it, what i am saying doesn't make sense right?
  - Georgelemental 4y ago
    The poster you replied to was not defending the US's spying practices; they were saying that as a non-US resident you get spied on by the US more, not less.

avrionov 4y ago

One thing that is not discussed here is that Oracle offers much cheaper bandwidth compared to all other big cloud providers. Bandwidth is one area of the cloud offerings where the prices hasn't changed much. Oracle was able to attract Zoom also for potion of their backed. Getting more competition here will enable smaller players to create apps which rely more on video. Disclaimer: I haven't use Oracle cloud, just researched it.