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This is great, data shows that beeping is effective for increasing seatbelts usage, I see no reason why this wouldn't apply to speeding. I hope they take this

This is great, data shows that beeping is effective for increasing seatbelts usage, I see no reason why this wouldn't apply to speeding. I hope they take this a step further. Cars should not be able to exceed 90mph unless you have a special license for the track. 99.9% of drivers are not tracking their car and theres absolutely no reason a 6000lb pick up truck needs to go 150mph under any circumstance. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3217543/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3217543/

BitwiseFool 4y ago
Unlike the seatbelt chime which is easy to address, speeding beeps would be maddening. Everybody speeds at some point while driving somewhere. Not all speeding is reckless. As far as making someone get a special track license, that just seems like overkill.
- yadaeno 4y ago
  "Speeding was a factor in 29% of all traffic fatalities in 2020, killing 11,258, or an average of over 30 people per day." Im not saying beeping will stop all of this but I think its a large low hanging fruit in terms of road safety. You will strongly disagree with this but mandatory breathalyzers are another. I would love if these rules were not necessary but drivers (in the US at least) have proven that they are not responsible in aggregate. I dont think anyone disagrees with speed limits, I dont understand the moral panic that comes from taking it a step further and building it into the car. Youre right about needing to speed sometimes though, maybe they need to add a 15% buffer or some kind of "10/10 data points in the last 5 mins required" condition. https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/motor-vehicle-safety-issues/speeding/ https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/motor-vehicle-safe...
  - johnisgood 4y ago
    He just told you though. Speeding happens, and there are many scenarios in which it is OK. Hearing the beeping might actually induce road rage... or not... I wonder though.
  - vasco 4y ago
    > I dont think anyone disagrees with speed limits Hello there, I disagree with speed limits on any highway, as well as most well built roads that don't have pedestrians adjacent. I'm not a civil engineer or traffic researcher, but I do disagree with them. Having ridden on the autobahn I also didn't feel less safe there.
    - ultrarunner 4y ago
      I also disagree with many (and most freeway) speed limits, but I also disagree with car-centric urban design and the zoning that makes it the least-bad option. Pedestrians (read: people, including those under 16 and over driving age) shouldn't be forced to deal with adjacent traffic just to go about their daily lives. I mention this because I suspect the person-traffic interface is a major justification for speed limits in the first place.
spurgu 4y ago
The beeping is effective for me disabling the sensor/buzzer altogether in my cars. Fucking hell, I know when I'm not wearing it, or when I'm speeding. Let me be the judge of when I do whichever of them.
belorn 4y ago
How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? How high false rate would people accept before they removed/rigged the device? One major reason why ignition locks that uses breathalyzers has failed to gain popularity is false positives. Police always do a blood test after a positive breath test, because those breathalyzers have know faults when it comes to a number of substances, including bread, fruit, chewing gum, vanilla extract, vinegar and energy drinks...
- harg 4y ago
  > How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? Never, in any car I’ve ever been in, have I seen a false positive seatbelt warning.
  - sneak 4y ago
    This happens to me all the time when I put a backpack with 3 computers in it on my passenger seat.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
    Exactly, that's his point: Those systems are tolerated because they don't have false positives.
  - AmericanChopper 4y ago
    I’ve seen it many times. Every time I put a heavy object on a seat without plugging the seatbelts in.
    - belorn 4y ago
      Now imagine this happening, but rather than being still at the car park you are on the highway and the situation is requiring a lot of concentration, and you can't just plug in the seatbelt to fix it.
      - AmericanChopper 4y ago
tomc1985 4y ago
kube-system 4y ago
> Cars should not be able to exceed 90mph unless you have a special license for the track. People driving on racetracks do not necessarily have licenses. They neither necessarily have a license to drive a car on the road, nor do they necessarily have sanctioned racing licenses. Even if this suggestion did make sense, we have no mechanism to enforce it. People in the US drive without valid licenses all of the time. The car has no idea if you have a license at all, let alone which ones.

BitwiseFool 4y ago

Unlike the seatbelt chime which is easy to address, speeding beeps would be maddening. Everybody speeds at some point while driving somewhere. Not all speeding is reckless. As far as making someone get a special track license, that just seems like overkill.

yadaeno 4y ago
"Speeding was a factor in 29% of all traffic fatalities in 2020, killing 11,258, or an average of over 30 people per day." Im not saying beeping will stop all of this but I think its a large low hanging fruit in terms of road safety. You will strongly disagree with this but mandatory breathalyzers are another. I would love if these rules were not necessary but drivers (in the US at least) have proven that they are not responsible in aggregate. I dont think anyone disagrees with speed limits, I dont understand the moral panic that comes from taking it a step further and building it into the car. Youre right about needing to speed sometimes though, maybe they need to add a 15% buffer or some kind of "10/10 data points in the last 5 mins required" condition. https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/motor-vehicle-safety-issues/speeding/ https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/motor-vehicle-safe...
- johnisgood 4y ago
  He just told you though. Speeding happens, and there are many scenarios in which it is OK. Hearing the beeping might actually induce road rage... or not... I wonder though.
- vasco 4y ago
  > I dont think anyone disagrees with speed limits Hello there, I disagree with speed limits on any highway, as well as most well built roads that don't have pedestrians adjacent. I'm not a civil engineer or traffic researcher, but I do disagree with them. Having ridden on the autobahn I also didn't feel less safe there.
  - ultrarunner 4y ago
    I also disagree with many (and most freeway) speed limits, but I also disagree with car-centric urban design and the zoning that makes it the least-bad option. Pedestrians (read: people, including those under 16 and over driving age) shouldn't be forced to deal with adjacent traffic just to go about their daily lives. I mention this because I suspect the person-traffic interface is a major justification for speed limits in the first place.

spurgu 4y ago

The beeping is effective for me disabling the sensor/buzzer altogether in my cars. Fucking hell, I know when I'm not wearing it, or when I'm speeding. Let me be the judge of when I do whichever of them.

belorn 4y ago

How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? How high false rate would people accept before they removed/rigged the device? One major reason why ignition locks that uses breathalyzers has failed to gain popularity is false positives. Police always do a blood test after a positive breath test, because those breathalyzers have know faults when it comes to a number of substances, including bread, fruit, chewing gum, vanilla extract, vinegar and energy drinks...

harg 4y ago
> How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? Never, in any car I’ve ever been in, have I seen a false positive seatbelt warning.
- sneak 4y ago
  This happens to me all the time when I put a backpack with 3 computers in it on my passenger seat.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
  Exactly, that's his point: Those systems are tolerated because they don't have false positives.
- AmericanChopper 4y ago
  I’ve seen it many times. Every time I put a heavy object on a seat without plugging the seatbelts in.
  - belorn 4y ago
    Now imagine this happening, but rather than being still at the car park you are on the highway and the situation is requiring a lot of concentration, and you can't just plug in the seatbelt to fix it.
    - AmericanChopper 4y ago

tomc1985 4y ago

kube-system 4y ago

> Cars should not be able to exceed 90mph unless you have a special license for the track. People driving on racetracks do not necessarily have licenses. They neither necessarily have a license to drive a car on the road, nor do they necessarily have sanctioned racing licenses. Even if this suggestion did make sense, we have no mechanism to enforce it. People in the US drive without valid licenses all of the time. The car has no idea if you have a license at all, let alone which ones.