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I love the walled garden. You want a self-managed server, buy one. I want a foolproof thin client for myself and all the older people in my life

pessimizer 4y ago
Well, get them to install AppleSafe™, which will give them the curated Apple experience by locking out all sideloading, and requires them to call Apple and go through menus in order to remove it.
- dickersnoodle 4y ago
  This works for me. I trust Apple a lot more than I trust some third party rando and I enjoyed watching Facebook whine about losing data tracking revenues and whiplash into Meta on their way to more people discovering that the world can live without them.
arvinsim 4y ago
Are you saying that old people who have difficulty figuring a phone will suddenly become a techie that can find an obscure setting? Complete FUD. Stop fearmongering.
- FredPret 4y ago
  Read again and reinterpret. Old people will get sent a link to the “new official tax app” and be screwed six ways to Sunday.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    And it can happen today as well via a website. That’s why some countries mandate two-factor authentication for example, which is a proper solution, not this “let’s sell overpriced tamagotchis” security theater.
- sircastor 4y ago
  No, they don't just "Find an obscure setting". A website tells them exactly where to look, exactly what to do, and they have motive to do it because they want whatever this app is promising. These kinds of scams are all over the place. Open up your browser's developer console while on Facebook and you'll see FB's desperate attempt to get you to not start typing in commands. When Epic got up in arms about Google's fees, they published a sideload-able version of FortNite, and some users ended up installing a fake virus-laden version (https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/aug/10/fortnite-on-android-phones-risk-malware-infections https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/aug/10/fortnite-on-an...). How many Linux users run arbitrary shell commands they find online while trying to fix or install something? What about some curl command somewhere that downloads and executes whole scripts? And Linux users tend to be very technically oriented. This is not FUD. We're there. This is happening today.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    That's why it's FUD. It's happening today. There will never be a perfect circumstance where a determined enough attacker cannot get a determined enough sucker to give them their savings.
    - TheGeminon 4y ago
      “This is FUD because it’s already happening and there is nothing you can do about it” is a weird take. Just because something is possible doesn’t mean that making it harder isn’t worthwhile. Perfect is the enemy of good, after all.
      - Apocryphon 4y ago
        Where is the guarantee that the current situation is better, in terms of actively preventing that situation?
  - kaba0 4y ago
    They can’t even follow how to call me up through facebook, do you honestly believe they will accidentally turn on the equivalent of Android dev mode? If Apple want to make it hard to access, they can.

pessimizer 4y ago

Well, get them to install AppleSafe™, which will give them the curated Apple experience by locking out all sideloading, and requires them to call Apple and go through menus in order to remove it.

dickersnoodle 4y ago
This works for me. I trust Apple a lot more than I trust some third party rando and I enjoyed watching Facebook whine about losing data tracking revenues and whiplash into Meta on their way to more people discovering that the world can live without them.

arvinsim 4y ago

Are you saying that old people who have difficulty figuring a phone will suddenly become a techie that can find an obscure setting? Complete FUD. Stop fearmongering.

FredPret 4y ago
Read again and reinterpret. Old people will get sent a link to the “new official tax app” and be screwed six ways to Sunday.
- kaba0 4y ago
  And it can happen today as well via a website. That’s why some countries mandate two-factor authentication for example, which is a proper solution, not this “let’s sell overpriced tamagotchis” security theater.
sircastor 4y ago
No, they don't just "Find an obscure setting". A website tells them exactly where to look, exactly what to do, and they have motive to do it because they want whatever this app is promising. These kinds of scams are all over the place. Open up your browser's developer console while on Facebook and you'll see FB's desperate attempt to get you to not start typing in commands. When Epic got up in arms about Google's fees, they published a sideload-able version of FortNite, and some users ended up installing a fake virus-laden version (https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/aug/10/fortnite-on-android-phones-risk-malware-infections https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/aug/10/fortnite-on-an...). How many Linux users run arbitrary shell commands they find online while trying to fix or install something? What about some curl command somewhere that downloads and executes whole scripts? And Linux users tend to be very technically oriented. This is not FUD. We're there. This is happening today.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  That's why it's FUD. It's happening today. There will never be a perfect circumstance where a determined enough attacker cannot get a determined enough sucker to give them their savings.
  - TheGeminon 4y ago
    “This is FUD because it’s already happening and there is nothing you can do about it” is a weird take. Just because something is possible doesn’t mean that making it harder isn’t worthwhile. Perfect is the enemy of good, after all.
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      Where is the guarantee that the current situation is better, in terms of actively preventing that situation?
- kaba0 4y ago
  They can’t even follow how to call me up through facebook, do you honestly believe they will accidentally turn on the equivalent of Android dev mode? If Apple want to make it hard to access, they can.