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> Well, if you look at (global) society as a dynamical system it seems to me that there are two stable basins or attractors, call them "Star Trek" and "North Ko

> Well, if you look at (global) society as a dynamical system it seems to me that there are two stable basins or attractors, call them "Star Trek" and "North Korea". Nice analogy. Do you really believe, that us being on an utopian trajectory is realistic?

carapace 4y ago
> Do you really believe, that us being on an utopian trajectory is realistic? Oh yes. Very much so. In fact, by many measures we have been on an utopian trajectory for several centuries. Today even our failures are the result of unimaginable power. We have to learn to wield our power with wisdom. We have all of the physical technology we need already. We can practice regenerative agriculture that increases topsoil fertility and volume; we have methods of construction that can build housing for everyone; machines and factories that churn out the physical necessities of life; etc. We need only deploy our resources and technology efficiently. It's down to logistics now, and we have more than enough computer power to sort that out. The only thing holding us back is that most people still don't realize this yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_science_revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_science_revolution It's taking longer than anticipated but the process never stopped. Reading this now you are a part of it, if you want to be.
- bckr 4y ago
  I would love to be in touch with you. The quality utopianists are hard to come by.
  - carapace 4y ago
    Cheers! Aren't you kind. :) I have a mailing list: https://lists.sr.ht/~sforman/heliotrope.pajamas https://lists.sr.ht/~sforman/heliotrope.pajamas And I lurk on (my own) IRC channel: irc://irc.libera.chat/#MagnusMotive I'm pretty weird and flakey, but I'm also committed and serious (though not humorless) about working towards the nice future. :) I see you have an email addy in your profile, I'll email you a little later today, after more coffee.
- lagrange77 4y ago
  I'm with you, in that a Star Trek utopia is indeed possible, technology and resource wise. And i would love to see the world society bending the trajectory, before it's too late. I just have seen too much greediness, to see a chance, that this will happen. Some poles would have to be moved, to bend the trajectory ;)

carapace 4y ago

> Do you really believe, that us being on an utopian trajectory is realistic? Oh yes. Very much so. In fact, by many measures we have been on an utopian trajectory for several centuries. Today even our failures are the result of unimaginable power. We have to learn to wield our power with wisdom. We have all of the physical technology we need already. We can practice regenerative agriculture that increases topsoil fertility and volume; we have methods of construction that can build housing for everyone; machines and factories that churn out the physical necessities of life; etc. We need only deploy our resources and technology efficiently. It's down to logistics now, and we have more than enough computer power to sort that out. The only thing holding us back is that most people still don't realize this yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_science_revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_science_revolution It's taking longer than anticipated but the process never stopped. Reading this now you are a part of it, if you want to be.

bckr 4y ago
I would love to be in touch with you. The quality utopianists are hard to come by.
- carapace 4y ago
  Cheers! Aren't you kind. :) I have a mailing list: https://lists.sr.ht/~sforman/heliotrope.pajamas https://lists.sr.ht/~sforman/heliotrope.pajamas And I lurk on (my own) IRC channel: irc://irc.libera.chat/#MagnusMotive I'm pretty weird and flakey, but I'm also committed and serious (though not humorless) about working towards the nice future. :) I see you have an email addy in your profile, I'll email you a little later today, after more coffee.
lagrange77 4y ago
I'm with you, in that a Star Trek utopia is indeed possible, technology and resource wise. And i would love to see the world society bending the trajectory, before it's too late. I just have seen too much greediness, to see a chance, that this will happen. Some poles would have to be moved, to bend the trajectory ;)