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>How can grown ass adults be so pathetically mean to a single person because he wrote (free & gratis!) software they don't like. Seriously, it's mystifying. Be
by _ofdw 4y ago
>How can grown ass adults be so pathetically mean to a single person because he wrote (free & gratis!) software they don't like. Seriously, it's mystifying.
Because he and his orbiters were extraordinarily arrogant and condescending about their software. And let's not forget that while it's pretty good now, in the early days systemd was not very good at all. Because things like GNOME 3 decided to make systemd a hard dependency, pretty soon it became nearly impossible to avoid using the entire systemd stack even though it was nominally modular.
It's not just that he wrote $thing that someone didn't like. It's that $thing got shoved down everyone's throats at a time when $thing didn't work very well, and then when people rightfully objected, they were belittled by Poettering and his fan base.
- zozbot234 4y agoBut it's not Poettering, it's the Gnome folks in general. These controversies have been around since the early Gnome 2.x days. Nothing much has changed. What we really need is for people to propose alternatives to systemD that address its purported use cases while removing some of the needless complexity it introduces, and restoring the primacy of general mechanisms over hacked-together policy. This has happened with some components, e.g. elogind but not really as a comprehensive effort.
- traverseda 4y agoOpenRC and alpine are nice.
- corrral 4y agoOpenRC is the only Linux init I've used that I actually enjoyed using, not just could-tolerate.
- 0des 4y agosysvinit did nothing wrong.
- hakfoo 4y agoWhat was wrong with Slackware's bag full of shell scripts? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what people want an init system for, but I'd expect to need little more than "run these 10 tasks. Potentially, wait for A to finish before starting B". Its job should be over when you see the login prompt. It feels like modern inits are more like a watchdog/messaging system-- which seems like something which would be an optional add-in atop a real init system. I want to run a custom utility at power on. It's not a weird expectation. This should take no more than one line of code to achieve, adding "/usr/local/bin/toolname &" to some sort of rc.local file.
- nathants 4y agothis is the way.
- _ofdw 4y ago>But it's not Poettering, it's the Gnome folks in general. It might also be the Gnome folks but it's definitely also Poettering. Let's not pretend he's some blameless martyr. The guy's a jerk.
- blooalien 4y agoAlso because "mean" is the default state of far too much of humanity these days…