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> only gaslighting from you, telling me I experienced something I didn't. Oh dear.. I'm not going to comment on that. I don't think it's productive. > I never

by esarbe 4y ago

> only gaslighting from you, telling me I experienced something I didn't. Oh dear.. I'm not going to comment on that. I don't think it's productive. > I never experienced any trouble with audio I refer to stuff alsa drivers reporting wrong values[0] or cards being locked to a specific rate [1] Before pulseaudio only one application could access the sound card. And alsa-mixer was broken half of the time. The list of defects goes on and on. Configuration relied on different settings of also that needed to be tuned for each driver separately. Getting sound to work on Linux was not a fun place to be.[2] Pulseaudio exposed all these problems using a unified interface and forced "us" to fix these bugs. [0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/410887 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/410887 [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/1034325263.474.37.camel@diesel/T/ https://lore.kernel.org/all/1034325263.474.37.camel@diesel/T... [2] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/configuring-linux-sound-services-with-alsa/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/configuring-linux-sound...

robonerd 4y ago
> Oh dear.. I'm not going to comment on that. I don't think it's productive. It's simple: Don't tell other people what they did or didn't experience. If you don't understand that, then you aren't worth talking to.
welterde 4y ago
> Before pulseaudio only one application could access the sound card. That's only true if the sound card has no hardware mixing support (or very limited number of streams, where it would suddenly break after a certain number of applications) _and_ the alsa setup didn't include dmix (software mixing). Not sure what problems you had with alsamixer, for me it always worked (but maybe I never tried anything sufficiently fancy for it to break). But I am with the previous poster on this. I have had way more problems with pulseaudio than without. Also it's not only alsa drivers that can be at fault here, but pulseaudio also consults other hardware databases which alsa does not use, which can contain mistakes that can make pulseaudio unusable (had that issue not even a month ago with an external usb sound card).

by esarbe 4y ago

robonerd 4y ago

> Oh dear.. I'm not going to comment on that. I don't think it's productive. It's simple: Don't tell other people what they did or didn't experience. If you don't understand that, then you aren't worth talking to.

welterde 4y ago

> Before pulseaudio only one application could access the sound card. That's only true if the sound card has no hardware mixing support (or very limited number of streams, where it would suddenly break after a certain number of applications) _and_ the alsa setup didn't include dmix (software mixing). Not sure what problems you had with alsamixer, for me it always worked (but maybe I never tried anything sufficiently fancy for it to break). But I am with the previous poster on this. I have had way more problems with pulseaudio than without. Also it's not only alsa drivers that can be at fault here, but pulseaudio also consults other hardware databases which alsa does not use, which can contain mistakes that can make pulseaudio unusable (had that issue not even a month ago with an external usb sound card).