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People dislike his work for various reasons but are still forced to use it thanks, in part, to his employer promoting it aggressively (it's not like he did all

People dislike his work for various reasons but are still forced to use it thanks, in part, to his employer promoting it aggressively (it's not like he did all this for free). That's a recipe for saltiness. Kinda like Bill Gates back in the day (remember that "Kill Bill" game, and other similar ones?)

esarbe 4y ago
No one is forced to use it - you can always switch distro. I also use hyperbole as a rhetoric instrument but in text seldom works.
- corrral 4y ago
  At work you may not have that choice, especially since all the most-used (so, best supported) distros are deep into systemd now, or if you have a distro that you otherwise like but that has switched to systemd. It's possible to prefer something over alternatives but still think it's worse than it used to be, or could be better, or to very much dislike one part of it. Again, much like Windows and other MS products. People effectively had to use them ("well technically they could quit their jobs instead, so they didn't really have to"—LOL), which sets up circumstances for some serious hate. To repeat what I've written elsewhere, no-one is upset with any other init system or audio daemon creators, even if they don't like the software. Something different happened with these projects.
  - JetSpiegel 4y ago
    > well technically they could quit their jobs instead, so they didn't really have to There are jobs which force you to use Linux, and SystemD in particular? Where do I sign up?
  - esarbe 4y ago
    > At work you may not have that choice, If you cannot switch the distro, then you deal with it. That's the tyranny of not using Linux-From-Scratch. But that's always been the case; the distro maintainer make the decision what to package and what not. It's not different with the service manager systemd. > since all the most-used (so, best supported) distros are deep into systemd Ever wondered why? Because it is vastly more simple an implementation target than writing bash scripts. It's more easily tested in isolation and the documentation is outstanding. > no-one is upset with any other init system Oh, I remember the heat and hate that Ubuntu got when they switched to Upstart. The reason that systemd gets all the rage is because it is the largest target with the most innovation. People always get mad when things change. People *hate* change. > or audio daemon creators Pulseaudio had to plow the way and thus got all the heat for exposing tons of bugs in the alsa kernel drivers. And what else is there besides pulseaudio? PipeWire? This is the successor to pulseaudio, the next iteration. > Something different happened with these projects. Which is...?
JetSpiegel 4y ago
It was XBill, and there was a fork called XLennart. Funny how his detractors spend more time on jokes than on shipping a better init daemon.
- corrral 4y ago
  I'm like 90% sure that at some point in that era there was one called "Kill Bill" on Windows, though I do remember XBill. > Funny how his detractors spend more time on jokes than on shipping a better init daemon. Part of this might be because a high percentage of his detractors already have multiple init daemons they prefer to his.

esarbe 4y ago

No one is forced to use it - you can always switch distro. I also use hyperbole as a rhetoric instrument but in text seldom works.

corrral 4y ago
At work you may not have that choice, especially since all the most-used (so, best supported) distros are deep into systemd now, or if you have a distro that you otherwise like but that has switched to systemd. It's possible to prefer something over alternatives but still think it's worse than it used to be, or could be better, or to very much dislike one part of it. Again, much like Windows and other MS products. People effectively had to use them ("well technically they could quit their jobs instead, so they didn't really have to"—LOL), which sets up circumstances for some serious hate. To repeat what I've written elsewhere, no-one is upset with any other init system or audio daemon creators, even if they don't like the software. Something different happened with these projects.
- JetSpiegel 4y ago
  > well technically they could quit their jobs instead, so they didn't really have to There are jobs which force you to use Linux, and SystemD in particular? Where do I sign up?
- esarbe 4y ago
  > At work you may not have that choice, If you cannot switch the distro, then you deal with it. That's the tyranny of not using Linux-From-Scratch. But that's always been the case; the distro maintainer make the decision what to package and what not. It's not different with the service manager systemd. > since all the most-used (so, best supported) distros are deep into systemd Ever wondered why? Because it is vastly more simple an implementation target than writing bash scripts. It's more easily tested in isolation and the documentation is outstanding. > no-one is upset with any other init system Oh, I remember the heat and hate that Ubuntu got when they switched to Upstart. The reason that systemd gets all the rage is because it is the largest target with the most innovation. People always get mad when things change. People *hate* change. > or audio daemon creators Pulseaudio had to plow the way and thus got all the heat for exposing tons of bugs in the alsa kernel drivers. And what else is there besides pulseaudio? PipeWire? This is the successor to pulseaudio, the next iteration. > Something different happened with these projects. Which is...?

JetSpiegel 4y ago

It was XBill, and there was a fork called XLennart. Funny how his detractors spend more time on jokes than on shipping a better init daemon.

corrral 4y ago
I'm like 90% sure that at some point in that era there was one called "Kill Bill" on Windows, though I do remember XBill. > Funny how his detractors spend more time on jokes than on shipping a better init daemon. Part of this might be because a high percentage of his detractors already have multiple init daemons they prefer to his.